Scott wrote:

There will then be no need for a One Day Travelcard as the system will
automatically cap the payment at the rate for the One Day Travelcard.

What about people travelling in from outside London? Will provincial
ticket
machines issue Oster?

There is no requirement to live in London to have an Oyster card. They
can be topped up on-line.

That is not terribly convenient for all, especially those on the move.

I don't live in London and I have one. It is worth the loss of
interest on £5 or so (25p per annum?) in return for the convenience of
being able to travel about in London without having to buy a ticket
and knowing that I won't get charged more than a One Day Travelcard.

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:35:33 +0100, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

Scott wrote:

There will then be no need for a One Day Travelcard as the system will
automatically cap the payment at the rate for the One Day Travelcard.

What about people travelling in from outside London? Will provincial
ticket
machines issue Oster?

There is no requirement to live in London to have an Oyster card. They
can be topped up on-line.

That is not terribly convenient for all, especially those on the move.

It's especially convenient for those on the move. They can just wave
a blue card and not bother about anticipating how many journeys they
are going to make and what would be the best fare option.

I don't live in London and I have one. It is worth the loss of
interest on £5 or so (25p per annum?) in return for the convenience of
being able to travel about in London without having to buy a ticket
and knowing that I won't get charged more than a One Day Travelcard.

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?

No.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?

No.

So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.

So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?

There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.

So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?

There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.

There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
from the same place to Zones 1-2. That was the question. I do not
know all the terminology.

"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the
ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.

So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?

There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.

There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
from the same place to Zones 1-2. That was the question. I do not
know all the terminology.

Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.

If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.

tim

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:22 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:


"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the
ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.

So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?

There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.

There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
from the same place to Zones 1-2. That was the question. I do not
know all the terminology.

Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.

If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.

I am not sure what you are comparing with what here.

Taking a step back, you and Michael have made my point very well. I
am entirely disinterested in having to think about the intricacies of
ticketing theory before making a journey on public transport. I just
want to wave the blue card about and get on my way.

I am sure most passengers have no interest in 'out-boundary
Travelcards', 'zone edge options' or anything else. They just want ot
get from A to B. What we need is a simply system that is easy to
understand and easy to use.

Oyster card is the way forward. Bring it on.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:11:25 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
] wrote:

I actually guess there will always be a need for the ODTC if only to
appease the ATOC in ticket issuing.

There is that. But I can see LUL wanting to do away with magstripe
tickets completely as it'd save them money in maintaining the
barriers.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:22 +0100, "tim....."
wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
wrote:

Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the
ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.
So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?
There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.
There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
from the same place to Zones 1-2. That was the question. I do not
know all the terminology.
Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.

If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.

I am not sure what you are comparing with what here.

Taking a step back, you and Michael have made my point very well. I
am entirely disinterested in having to think about the intricacies of
ticketing theory before making a journey on public transport. I just
want to wave the blue card about and get on my way.

Go ahead and do so, you'll just pay a few more quid each day if you do
it that way. But please don't try to eliminate the option for those who
would prefer to save that money.
--
Michael Hoffman