On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008,
Paul Scott remarked:

and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has
gone a little quiet).

East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were
building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they
for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

tom

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul
2008, Paul Scott remarked:
and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has
gone a little quiet).

East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa
that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building
new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not
Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

Probably referring to the NLL/ELL 'overground' trains, the 378s. Anything
new in London seems to have a games role, however spurious, but these trains
really will deliver pax to Stratford...

However would they have happened without the Olympics, or would the 313s etc
have been given an overhaul and relivery for a few years more use?

Paul S

Roland Perry wrote:
In message . 145, at
14:32:05 on Mon, 7 Jul 2008, David Jackman
remarked:
Despite being on a fast main line to London every train is pretty much
all stations so it will always take 35-40 minutes and it's one stop
beyond boundary zone six, which makes an annual travelcard ?2,500
instead of ?1,784.

And a Brentwood-Harold Wood season is more than ?716? Makes the
Travelcard look like absurdly good value for money.

I thought that, so looked it up. 720 pounds. SDR is 5.80. So no loophole
there.

Theo

In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008,
Paul Scott remarked:

and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has
gone a little quiet).

East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were
building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they
for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel themselves
in the event of power failure

Nick
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In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

However would they have happened without the Olympics, or would the
313s etc have been given an overhaul and relivery for a few years
more use?

How many of the 313 units are going back to the GN they were built for?

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In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:

In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue,
8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked:

and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that
has gone a little quiet).

East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they
were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line
are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel
themselves
in the event of power failure

Not exactly. They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in the
event of power failure. They are just specifying it as an essential
requirement in procurement and expecting suppliers to answer the question
for them.

:-)

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:

In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue,
8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked:

and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that
has gone a little quiet).

East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they
were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line
are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel
themselves in the event of power failure

Not exactly. They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in
the event of power failure. They are just specifying it as an essential
requirement in procurement and expecting suppliers to answer the
question for them.

I've just seen the latest update to that specification - apparently, they
also want a pony.

tom

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to make a better world -- Rt Rev Tom Wright

On 8 Jul, 14:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
05:58:30 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Oter
remarked:

As other have mentioned, in 2006 a DfT report once named the 0802
Cambridge to Liverpool Street train (which no longer runs) as the
busest in the country. Seehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4830370.stm
However I used to travel on that exact train on numerous occasions and
so know that this was nonsense. Apparently the researchers visited on
an unusual day when a preceding service had been cancelled.

The train I was referring to (2nd most crowded, not most crowded) is the
7.18 from Cambridge in 2007, and it would be extraordinary for the ToC
to trot out the same excuse two years running.

Thank you for the clarification: I didn't know that.

PaulO

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
. 253...
Maybe I should have said "busy-ness" and not business, but just wondering
if anyone knew of any websites that detailed how busy trains are coming in
to central London from suburbs?

I am thinking of moving further outward but wondering, aside from actually
waiting at various train platforms in the rush-hour, as to how full trains
are on their approach to London?

For people looking for a longer commuter from more rural areas, I would
have thought "getting a seat on the train" is paramount, and I would have
thought there'd be some sort of resource to help with this somewhere on
the
web?

Thanks in advance for any information !
Richard

You might consider life south of the river. Southern/FCC routes through East
Croydon offer direct trains to/from Victoria, London Bridge and the
Thameslink route. Some South Eastern routes give a choice of direct trains
to/from London Bridge/Cannon Street, Charing Cross and Victoria. I don't
think any other route can give you anything like this level of choice (I'm
sure someone will be along to dispute this!). The downside is that you might
have to look a *long* way out from London in order to be sure of a seat in
the morning. From the Sussex coast you might find people having to stand
from Preston Park or Hove, for example. I commute between Brighton and
Victoria. I *always* get a seat in both directions (this involves getting to
Victoria promptly in the evening), and a forthcoming attraction is a
doubling of the peak-hour service frequency (quarter-hourly) from the
December timetable later this year.

I would be wary of over reliance on the FCC/Thameslink route because major
disruption is likely for the next 10 years or so.

D A Stocks

On 10 Jul, 14:36, "David A Stocks" wrote:

You might consider life south of the river.
I would be wary of over reliance on the FCC/Thameslink route because major
disruption is likely for the next 10 years or so.

Thanks - I am currently south of the river (indeed I grew up in
Orpington) but fancied, well, a change and seeing as I'm looking at
Broxbourne on the Herts/Essex border and I have a number of friends in
Herts/Essex it seemed like a sensible choice, especially with my work
so close to Liverpool Street. I guess another option would be trains
coming in to Moorgate from Herts.

Regards
Richard