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Maybe I should have said "busy-ness" and not business, but just wondering
if anyone knew of any websites that detailed how busy trains are coming in to central London from suburbs? I am thinking of moving further outward but wondering, aside from actually waiting at various train platforms in the rush-hour, as to how full trains are on their approach to London? For people looking for a longer commuter from more rural areas, I would have thought "getting a seat on the train" is paramount, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of resource to help with this somewhere on the web? Thanks in advance for any information ! Richard |
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On Jul 6, 3:48*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Maybe I should have said "busy-ness" and not business, but just wondering if anyone knew of any websites that detailed how busy trains are coming in to central London from suburbs? I am thinking of moving further outward but wondering, aside from actually waiting at various train platforms in the rush-hour, as to how full trains are on their approach to London? This group (and uk.railway) is probably as good a resource as any - if you indicate which direction away from London you're thinking of, there's bound to be someone on here who's done it/currently does it... [uk.r added] |
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Richard Dixon wrote in
. 253: Maybe I should have said "busy-ness" and not business, but just wondering if anyone knew of any websites that detailed how busy trains are coming in to central London from suburbs? I am thinking of moving further outward but wondering, aside from actually waiting at various train platforms in the rush-hour, as to how full trains are on their approach to London? For people looking for a longer commuter from more rural areas, I would have thought "getting a seat on the train" is paramount, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of resource to help with this somewhere on the web? Thanks in advance for any information ! Richard It certainly used to be the case that longer distance commuters had more chance of getting a seat, but things are now changing. There is enourmous variation by route and your precise journey (it's much easier to get a seat at Waterloo or Liverpool Street than Clapham Junction or Stratford for example). Neither is distance a guarantee of a seat - I understand that people are regularly standing between Waterloo and Winchester... Which part of London do you have to get to (if you are planning a long distance commuter that last thing you want is a long journey from your London terminal)? David |
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David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote in
. 109.145: Neither is distance a guarantee of a seat - I understand that people are regularly standing between Waterloo and Winchester... Which part of London do you have to get to (if you are planning a long distance commuter that last thing you want is a long journey from your London terminal)? Thanks for the reply Seeing as I work "in the city" then I was looking at commuting to Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street - purely overland with no second "stage" to my commute post London terminal. Broxbourne appealed as it is very close to some nice rural villages and yet has an excellent train service (29 mins to Liv Street) but absolutely no way of telling how full trains will be (coming from Stanstead Airport, Cambridge or Kings Lynn). Cheers Richard |
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18:16:32 on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Richard Dixon remarked: Broxbourne appealed as it is very close to some nice rural villages and yet has an excellent train service (29 mins to Liv Street) but absolutely no way of telling how full trains will be (coming from Stanstead Airport, Cambridge or Kings Lynn). That line has the second most overcrowded train in the country (7.18 Cambridge to Liverpool St). 85% overcapacity. [2007 figures]. -- Roland Perry |
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Richard Dixon wrote in
. 253: David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote in . 109.145: Neither is distance a guarantee of a seat - I understand that people are regularly standing between Waterloo and Winchester... Which part of London do you have to get to (if you are planning a long distance commuter that last thing you want is a long journey from your London terminal)? Thanks for the reply Seeing as I work "in the city" then I was looking at commuting to Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street - purely overland with no second "stage" to my commute post London terminal. Broxbourne appealed as it is very close to some nice rural villages and yet has an excellent train service (29 mins to Liv Street) but absolutely no way of telling how full trains will be (coming from Stanstead Airport, Cambridge or Kings Lynn). Cheers Richard Without any real knowledge whatsoever it's a fair bet to say that the Cambridge and Kings Lynn starters will be heaving (at the height of the peak the question is probably more "can I get on" rather than "can I get a seat") - though many will alight at Tottenham Hale for the Victoria line. The Hertford starters ought to offer something towards the back. (The best advice here is of course to wait until September when everybody is back at work, get up early, fork out £9.70 and find out for yourself!) On the GE mainline I'm told Chelmsford is becoming an absolute nightmare - so you would need to go further out than that (unless you fancy Brentwood where the service is dire but you do, at least, get a seat). Out towards Southend (on either line) would be another possibility but isn't really "rural village" territory. David |
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:00:23 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: That line has the second most overcrowded train in the country (7.18 Cambridge to Liverpool St). 85% overcapacity. [2007 figures]. I can't remember what, but there was something wrong with that 'statistic'. Train was only four cars that dfay, or something. Trains from Cambridge are just about full by Broxbourne during the meorning peak. Of course, getting a seat on the way home requires turning up a few minutes before departure. But I would imagine that trains from Hertford East have space, and there are some peak hour services that start at Broxbourne. In general trains from Stansted Airport (there's no second bloody A in Stansted!) do not stop at Broxbourne other than the Stratford service. |
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Ken at Birchanger wrote in
: But I would imagine that trains from Hertford East have space, and there are some peak hour services that start at Broxbourne. I presume you mean "have space" as in "have seats"? Standing space is all very well, but not for 35 minutes every day - maybe I've led a charmed commuter life so far. Regarding the peak hour services, checking the Hertford East to Broxbourne timetable, there are trains that "appear" to start at Broxbourne: http://www.nationalexpresseastanglia...5/84230/file/T able+4+Hertford+East+to+Liverpool+Street.pdf For example at 0804, 0818 and 0835 - but checking other timetables, these appear to start at Kings Lynn, Cambridge and Cambridge again, respectively, so I can't seem to find these mystery ones that start at Broxbourne (that would be like gold dust for a commute!!) In general trains from Stansted Airport do not stop at Broxbourne other than the Stratford service. Good point, I'd not noticed this, thanks. Richard |
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David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote in
. 109.145: (The best advice here is of course to wait until September when everybody is back at work, get up early, fork out £9.70 and find out for yourself!) Thanks for all the feedback. I plan to do just this in the next week or two. If trains do indeed start at Broxbourne (not that I can find any on the timetables) then that would be a boon ! Richard |
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Richard Dixon wrote in
. 253: Ken at Birchanger wrote in : But I would imagine that trains from Hertford East have space, and there are some peak hour services that start at Broxbourne. I presume you mean "have space" as in "have seats"? Standing space is all very well, but not for 35 minutes every day - maybe I've led a charmed commuter life so far. Regarding the peak hour services, checking the Hertford East to Broxbourne timetable, there are trains that "appear" to start at Broxbourne: http://www.nationalexpresseastanglia.../8985/84230/fi le/T able+4+Hertford+East+to+Liverpool+Street.pdf For example at 0804, 0818 and 0835 - but checking other timetables, these appear to start at Kings Lynn, Cambridge and Cambridge again, respectively, so I can't seem to find these mystery ones that start at Broxbourne (that would be like gold dust for a commute!!) In general trains from Stansted Airport do not stop at Broxbourne other than the Stratford service. Good point, I'd not noticed this, thanks. Richard http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse% 20documents/eNRT/May08/timetables/Table22.pdf gives the full picture (the url will wrap and need sticking back together again). The only Broxbourne starters in the current timetable go to Stratford. Incidentally the Stansted express has a long tradition of making extra stops in the peaks - though I hadn't realized just how many extra stops the 07.00 and 07.30 from Stansted had gained! David |
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David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote in
. 109.145: The only Broxbourne starters in the current timetable go to Stratford. Incidentally the Stansted express has a long tradition of making extra stops in the peaks - though I hadn't realized just how many extra stops the 07.00 and 07.30 from Stansted had gained! Thank you Dave, looks like it's packed trains if I want a fast option in to Liverpool Street, although maybe the 07.52 from Stansted (only stop Bishops Stortford before Broxbourne) might be a less busy option - although I'm sure many in Bishops Stortford will have cottoned on to this ! Regards Richard |
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On 6 Jul, 21:07, Richard Dixon wrote:
David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote 6.109.145: (The best advice here is of course to wait until September when everybody is back at work, get up early, fork out £9.70 and find out for yourself!) Thanks for all the feedback. I plan to do just this in the next week or two. If trains do indeed start at Broxbourne (not that I can find any on the timetables) then that would be a boon ! I have been catching peak trains between Cambridge and Liverpool Street about two or three times a week for the past seven years. They all stop at Broxbourne. Since I always get a seat at Cambridge I tend not to pay too much attention to how crowded they get in the morning, but my general impression is that although it is almost certain you would need to stand from Broxbourne, the trains are not "heaving" and only have a few people standing per carriage. A lot of people get off at Tottenham Hale, so you may be able to get a seat from there to Liverpool Street (which is about half the journey time). In the evening, you have a good chance of getting a seat on a train to Cambridge (e.g. the 1758). They normally only become crowded at Tottenham Hale. The West Anglia timetable was completely reorganised a couple of years ago. The biggest change was to add extra stops to the Stansted Express (many more of them now call at Harlow Town), which seems to have had a big impact on reducing overcrowding on trains to and from Cambridge. Another big change was to make every Cambridge train stop at Broxbourne. However if you're seriously planning moving to Broxbourne, the best thing is to spend a few days there and try out the commute for yourself. PaulO |
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In message . 145, David
Jackman writes On the GE mainline I'm told Chelmsford is becoming an absolute nightmare - so you would need to go further out than that (unless you fancy Brentwood where the service is dire but you do, at least, get a seat). Brentwood: A train every 10 minutes off peak (until past 9pm in both directions), depending on the direction), and a more frequent service during the peak, "dire"? Also, given that it is the first station to just have an all stopping train in the London-bound direction, I strongly suspect (though do not know) that the chances of getting a seat are quite or very good. 40 minutes into London with around 10 stops. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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Paul Oter wrote in
: I have been catching peak trains between Cambridge and Liverpool Street about two or three times a week for the past seven years. They all stop at Broxbourne. Since I always get a seat at Cambridge I tend not to pay too much attention to how crowded they get in the morning, but my general impression is that although it is almost certain you would need to stand from Broxbourne, the trains are not "heaving" and only have a few people standing per carriage. A lot of people get off at Tottenham Hale, so you may be able to get a seat from there to Liverpool Street (which is about half the journey time). Paul - thanks for the feedback - good to hear from someone who actually uses that line. I hadn't realised that half the journey was the section post-Tottenham Hale, so that would make things more bearable (I currently have generally a 20-minute stand with my current commute). What time are you typically getting on at Cambridge? Many thanks, Richard |
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Paul G wrote in
: In message . 145, David Jackman writes On the GE mainline I'm told Chelmsford is becoming an absolute nightmare - so you would need to go further out than that (unless you fancy Brentwood where the service is dire but you do, at least, get a seat). Brentwood: A train every 10 minutes off peak (until past 9pm in both directions), depending on the direction), and a more frequent service during the peak, "dire"? Also, given that it is the first station to just have an all stopping train in the London-bound direction, I strongly suspect (though do not know) that the chances of getting a seat are quite or very good. 40 minutes into London with around 10 stops. The problem with Brentwood is that it is in the wrong place :-) Despite being on a fast main line to London every train is pretty much all stations so it will always take 35-40 minutes and it's one stop beyond boundary zone six, which makes an annual travelcard £2,500 instead of £1,784. The service isn't terribly reliable - in the event of disruption trains are turned round before they reach Brentwood - and the 315s are known for often having no heating in Winter and for a few years had windows that barely opened so it got very hot in summer. (This was to stop the yobs throwing the seat cushions out of the windows; the recent "refurbishment" saw a redesign to allow more ventilation). Crossrail - if it ever happens - will improve matters but the all stations nature will always make it a slow and tendious journey. It just isn't a railhead I would ever suggest for long distance commuting. David |
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14:32:05 on Mon, 7 Jul 2008, David Jackman remarked: On the GE mainline I'm told Chelmsford is becoming an absolute nightmare - so you would need to go further out than that (unless you fancy Brentwood where the service is dire but you do, at least, get a seat). Brentwood: A train every 10 minutes off peak (until past 9pm in both directions), depending on the direction), and a more frequent service during the peak, "dire"? Also, given that it is the first station to just have an all stopping train in the London-bound direction, I strongly suspect (though do not know) that the chances of getting a seat are quite or very good. 40 minutes into London with around 10 stops. The problem with Brentwood is that it is in the wrong place :-) Despite being on a fast main line to London every train is pretty much all stations so it will always take 35-40 minutes and it's one stop beyond boundary zone six, which makes an annual travelcard £2,500 instead of £1,784. And a Brentwood-Harold Wood season is more than £716? Makes the Travelcard look like absurdly good value for money. The service isn't terribly reliable - in the event of disruption trains are turned round before they reach Brentwood - and the 315s I remember when the 321's were brand new. I suppose they aren't used on stoppers any more. It just isn't a railhead I would ever suggest for long distance commuting. I wouldn't call London 'long distance' from Brentwood :) But my travelling experience dates from when it was 27 minutes on a semifast. But that was the same time as from Chelmsford, so the choice of where to live was more about house prices vs residential ambience. -- Roland Perry |
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On 7 Jul, 10:07, Richard Dixon wrote:
Paul Oter wrote : I have been catching peak trains between Cambridge and Liverpool Street about two or three times a week for the past seven years. They all stop at Broxbourne. Since I always get a seat at Cambridge I tend not to pay too much attention to how crowded they get in the morning, but my general impression is that although it is almost certain you would need to stand from Broxbourne, the trains are not "heaving" and only have a few people standing per carriage. A lot of people get off at Tottenham Hale, so you may be able to get a seat from there to Liverpool Street (which is about half the journey time). Paul - thanks for the feedback - good to hear from someone who actually uses that line. I hadn't realised that half the journey was the section post-Tottenham Hale, so that would make things more bearable (I currently have generally a 20-minute stand with my current commute). What time are you typically getting on at Cambridge? Typically 0748 or later, which arrives at Liverpool Street at 0905 or so (and to my desk at 0915). Just to be clear: this is a busy train, with all seats taken and people standing by the time it calls at Broxbourne. It's 15 minutes from there to Tottenham Hale, where a lot of people get off, then a further 15 mins to Liverpool Street. I still see people standing after Tottenham but the turnover of seats means you probably have a chance of being able to grab a seat there if you need to. As other have mentioned, in 2006 a DfT report once named the 0802 Cambridge to Liverpool Street train (which no longer runs) as the busest in the country. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4830370.stm However I used to travel on that exact train on numerous occasions and so know that this was nonsense. Apparently the researchers visited on an unusual day when a preceding service had been cancelled. On the way home the 1758 Liverpool Street to King's Lynn usually has free seats in the front carriage of this eight-car train (despite people standing at the back) , though I would recommend not leaving it until the very last minute to board. The reason why this train is rarely full is that it doesn't stop at Harlow Town and is immediately preceded by a Stansted Express which calls at Harlow Town and Bishop's Stortford. PaulO |
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, at 05:58:30 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Oter remarked: As other have mentioned, in 2006 a DfT report once named the 0802 Cambridge to Liverpool Street train (which no longer runs) as the busest in the country. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4830370.stm However I used to travel on that exact train on numerous occasions and so know that this was nonsense. Apparently the researchers visited on an unusual day when a preceding service had been cancelled. The train I was referring to (2nd most crowded, not most crowded) is the 7.18 from Cambridge in 2007, and it would be extraordinary for the ToC to trot out the same excuse two years running. -- Roland Perry |
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Paul Oter wrote:
On 7 Jul, 10:07, Richard Dixon wrote: Paul Oter wrote : I have been catching peak trains between Cambridge and Liverpool Street about two or three times a week for the past seven years. They all stop at Broxbourne. Since I always get a seat at Cambridge I tend not to pay too much attention to how crowded they get in the morning, but my general impression is that although it is almost certain you would need to stand from Broxbourne, the trains are not "heaving" and only have a few people standing per carriage. A lot of people get off at Tottenham Hale, so you may be able to get a seat from there to Liverpool Street (which is about half the journey time). Paul - thanks for the feedback - good to hear from someone who actually uses that line. I hadn't realised that half the journey was the section post-Tottenham Hale, so that would make things more bearable (I currently have generally a 20-minute stand with my current commute). What time are you typically getting on at Cambridge? Typically 0748 or later, which arrives at Liverpool Street at 0905 or so (and to my desk at 0915). Just to be clear: this is a busy train, with all seats taken and people standing by the time it calls at Broxbourne. It's 15 minutes from there to Tottenham Hale, where a lot of people get off, then a further 15 mins to Liverpool Street. I still see people standing after Tottenham but the turnover of seats means you probably have a chance of being able to grab a seat there if you need to. As other have mentioned, in 2006 a DfT report once named the 0802 Cambridge to Liverpool Street train (which no longer runs) as the busest in the country. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4830370.stm However I used to travel on that exact train on numerous occasions and so know that this was nonsense. Apparently the researchers visited on an unusual day when a preceding service had been cancelled. On the way home the 1758 Liverpool Street to King's Lynn usually has free seats in the front carriage of this eight-car train (despite people standing at the back) , though I would recommend not leaving it until the very last minute to board. The reason why this train is rarely full is that it doesn't stop at Harlow Town and is immediately preceded by a Stansted Express which calls at Harlow Town and Bishop's Stortford. Another relevant point seems to be that of all the routes around London, there seems reasonable evidence of serious increases in rolling stock during the next timetable year for the Lea Valley. Cascaded 321s ex LM, and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). Paul S |
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In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul
2008, Paul Scott remarked: and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked: and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull. tom -- The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked: and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). Probably referring to the NLL/ELL 'overground' trains, the 378s. Anything new in London seems to have a games role, however spurious, but these trains really will deliver pax to Stratford... However would they have happened without the Olympics, or would the 313s etc have been given an overhaul and relivery for a few years more use? Paul S |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message . 145, at 14:32:05 on Mon, 7 Jul 2008, David Jackman remarked: Despite being on a fast main line to London every train is pretty much all stations so it will always take 35-40 minutes and it's one stop beyond boundary zone six, which makes an annual travelcard ?2,500 instead of ?1,784. And a Brentwood-Harold Wood season is more than ?716? Makes the Travelcard look like absurdly good value for money. I thought that, so looked it up. 720 pounds. SDR is 5.80. So no loophole there. Theo |
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Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked: and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull. This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel themselves in the event of power failure :) Nick -- Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 6th June 2008) "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
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On 8 Jul, 14:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 05:58:30 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Oter remarked: As other have mentioned, in 2006 a DfT report once named the 0802 Cambridge to Liverpool Street train (which no longer runs) as the busest in the country. Seehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4830370.stm However I used to travel on that exact train on numerous occasions and so know that this was nonsense. Apparently the researchers visited on an unusual day when a preceding service had been cancelled. The train I was referring to (2nd most crowded, not most crowded) is the 7.18 from Cambridge in 2007, and it would be extraordinary for the ToC to trot out the same excuse two years running. Thank you for the clarification: I didn't know that. PaulO |
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"Richard Dixon" wrote in message . 253... Maybe I should have said "busy-ness" and not business, but just wondering if anyone knew of any websites that detailed how busy trains are coming in to central London from suburbs? I am thinking of moving further outward but wondering, aside from actually waiting at various train platforms in the rush-hour, as to how full trains are on their approach to London? For people looking for a longer commuter from more rural areas, I would have thought "getting a seat on the train" is paramount, and I would have thought there'd be some sort of resource to help with this somewhere on the web? Thanks in advance for any information ! Richard You might consider life south of the river. Southern/FCC routes through East Croydon offer direct trains to/from Victoria, London Bridge and the Thameslink route. Some South Eastern routes give a choice of direct trains to/from London Bridge/Cannon Street, Charing Cross and Victoria. I don't think any other route can give you anything like this level of choice (I'm sure someone will be along to dispute this!). The downside is that you might have to look a *long* way out from London in order to be sure of a seat in the morning. From the Sussex coast you might find people having to stand from Preston Park or Hove, for example. I commute between Brighton and Victoria. I *always* get a seat in both directions (this involves getting to Victoria promptly in the evening), and a forthcoming attraction is a doubling of the peak-hour service frequency (quarter-hourly) from the December timetable later this year. I would be wary of over reliance on the FCC/Thameslink route because major disruption is likely for the next 10 years or so. D A Stocks |
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On 10 Jul, 14:36, "David A Stocks" wrote:
You might consider life south of the river. I would be wary of over reliance on the FCC/Thameslink route because major disruption is likely for the next 10 years or so. Thanks - I am currently south of the river (indeed I grew up in Orpington) but fancied, well, a change and seeing as I'm looking at Broxbourne on the Herts/Essex border and I have a number of friends in Herts/Essex it seemed like a sensible choice, especially with my work so close to Liverpool Street. I guess another option would be trains coming in to Moorgate from Herts. Regards Richard |
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On 8 Jul, 15:49, Tom Anderson wrote:
East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). No, no - they're for the 500 metre trainpull. The Olympic white-water rafting up in Broxbourne, perchance? (yes, the Olympics is stretching out that far from London...) Richard |
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23:24:00 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in the event of power failure. Apparently the plan is to have some trapdoors in the floor, and hope that Fred Flintstone is aboard. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:31:28 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott remarked: and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that has gone a little quiet). East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). Presumably a reference to the Victoria line stock, Sub-Surface trains, and the NLL/ELL Electrostars. The South African trains are Electrostars with a pointy front end stuck on. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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In message , at
23:44:15 on Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Arthur Figgis remarked: East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously). Presumably a reference to the Victoria line stock, Sub-Surface trains, and the NLL/ELL Electrostars. The South African trains are Electrostars with a pointy front end stuck on. I noticed they had 2+3 seating, and the two gents being interviewed (one from Derby and one from South Africa) pretty much filled a set of three seats between the two of them :) -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message .uk, at 23:24:00 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in the event of power failure. Apparently the plan is to have some trapdoors in the floor, and hope that Fred Flintstone is aboard. One of Roger Ford's mates suggested a Spearfish Torpedo power pack, running on all sorts of 'not very green at all' fuels, but producing 1 MW from a 21" diameter tube. Probably waterproof as well, so you could hang one under each carriage... OTOH the DfT probably fancy roof mounted solar panels (complete with impossible levels of efficiency) and gauge cleared wind generators. Paul |
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