"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 9:28*am, Charlie Hulme
wrote:
Tony Polson wrote:
"It is hoped to emulate the success of the recently revamped St
Pancras, whose features, such as Europe's longest champagne bar, have
proved a hit with passengers.

Is that champagne bar popular with passengers? Travel
first class and you get a free glass of champagne anyway.

IMHO, articles published in the London "Evening Standard" do not mean
very much. The ES makes "Rail" look like a publication of stature.

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

"1506" wrote

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.

Peter

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 6:30*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"1506" wrote



Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? *One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. *Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. *There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.


If one was gonna run from Hampton Court to Dartford, wouldn't it be
simpler to run via Wandsworth Road etc? (Or does everything have to
go to Hackney for some reason?)

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 10:30*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"1506" wrote



Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? *One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. *Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. *There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.

Peter

How about operation by a single franchise holder, New Southern Railway
perhaps?

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 6:16 pm, 1506 wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station?

Yeh lets reinstate every curve there ever was in London -

Met line to Liverpool Street main line
City Thameslink to Moorgate direct
Hotel curve and York Way
etc


--
Nick

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 6:30 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.

I prefer the quote from HG Wells ''War Of The Worlds'':

quote

Everyone connected with the terminus seemed
ill-tempered.

About five o'clock the gathering crowd in the station was immensely
excited by the opening of the line of communication, which is almost
invariably closed, between the South-Eastern and the South-Western
stations, and the passage of carriage trucks bearing huge guns and
carriages crammed with soldiers. These were the guns that were
brought up from Woolwich and Chatham to cover Kingston. There was
an exchange of pleasantries: "You'll get eaten!" "We're the
beast-tamers!" and so forth. A little while after that a squad of
police came into the station and began to clear the public off the
platforms, and my brother went out into the street again.

/quote

Obviously the public must have been taking pictures.

--
Nick

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:53:22 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? *One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. *Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. *There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.


If one was gonna run from Hampton Court to Dartford, wouldn't it be
simpler to run via Wandsworth Road etc? (Or does everything have to
go to Hackney for some reason?)

That would miss out the rather important stops at Waterloo and London
Bridge...

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

"D7666" wrote in message
...
On Jul 28, 6:16 pm, 1506 wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station?

Yeh lets reinstate every curve there ever was in London -

Met line to Liverpool Street main line
City Thameslink to Moorgate direct
Hotel curve and York Way
etc


--
Nick

Be nice to have a travolator to the SW station though!

Signed
Exhausted of Tunbridge Wells.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 8:04 pm, "Batman55" wrote:

Be nice to have a travolator to the SW station though!

Yes thats a good idea.

--
Nick

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 11:27*am, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 28, 6:16 pm, 1506 wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station?

Yeah let’s reinstate every curve there ever was in London -

One assumes you jest. However:

Met line to Liverpool Street main line

Crossrail will do this better.

City Thameslink to Moorgate direct

IMHO, this one has merits. Moorgate would be a much better terminus
for the SE trains that will terminate at the new Blackfriars.

Hotel curve and York Way

New Thameslink connection to the GN does this well.
etc


Whilst DfT UK is, rightly, spending billions on Crossrail, why sneeze
at a low cost Crossrail (n) at Waterloo?

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

D7666 wrote:

the quote from HG Wells ''War Of The Worlds'':

almost invariably

Sigh.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

1506 wrote:
On Jul 28, 11:27 am, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 28, 6:16 pm, 1506 wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station?

Yeah let’s reinstate every curve there ever was in London -

One assumes you jest. However:

Met line to Liverpool Street main line

Crossrail will do this better.

City Thameslink to Moorgate direct

IMHO, this one has merits. Moorgate would be a much better terminus
for the SE trains that will terminate at the new Blackfriars.

They're terminating at Blackfriars because there won't be enough room for
them through City Thameslink...

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Jul 28, 7:58*pm, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:53:22 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? *One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. *Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. *There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.

If one was gonna run from Hampton Court to Dartford, wouldn't it be
simpler to run via Wandsworth Road etc? *(Or does everything have to
go to Hackney for some reason?)

That would miss out the rather important stops at Waterloo and London
Bridge...-

They have plenty of services to Dartford and are pretty easy to get to
from Hampton Court etc (OK one change for London Bridge).

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

MIG wrote:
On Jul 28, 7:58 pm, asdf wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:53:22 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. There would also be economies
of fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without
importing more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South
Eastern Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed
by a train when he was walking on the spur.

If one was gonna run from Hampton Court to Dartford, wouldn't it be
simpler to run via Wandsworth Road etc? (Or does everything have to
go to Hackney for some reason?)

That would miss out the rather important stops at Waterloo and London
Bridge...-

They have plenty of services to Dartford and are pretty easy to get to
from Hampton Court etc (OK one change for London Bridge).

The evidence presented at the TL2K inquiry stated that 95% of passengers got
on or off in the central area. This suggest that a Hampton to Dartford
service missing London might only have 5% loadings.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

John Rowland wrote:

The evidence presented at the TL2K inquiry stated that 95% of passengers got
on or off in the central area. This suggest that a Hampton to Dartford
service missing London might only have 5% loadings.

Have you been taking statistics lessons from Tony Polson? The first
statement doesn't suggest the second at all.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632842.html
(33 027 at Stratford Depot, 9 Jul 1983)

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On 29 Jul, 10:25, Chris Tolley wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
The evidence presented at the TL2K inquiry stated that 95% of passengers got
on or off in the central area. This suggest that a Hampton to Dartford
service missing London might only have 5% loadings.

Have you been taking statistics lessons from Tony Polson? The first
statement doesn't suggest the second at all.
--http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632842.html
(33 027 at Stratford Depot, 9 Jul 1983)

In any case, I am no great fan of orbital routes diverting services
away from already overcrowded radial routes (see my rantings about the
ELL), I was just fairly flippantly suggesting that Wandsworth Road
would be a better route if people really need to get from Hampton
Court to Dartford.

It's far more likely that they want to go to Waterloo, but they'll
always be able to do that.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On 29 Jul, 00:29, 1506 wrote:
Met line to Liverpool Street main line

Crossrail will do this better.

Depends which eastern line you were after. Crossrail will relieve the
GEML, but the WAML won't be relieved until the quad tracking (though I
suppose Crossrail could serve it via Stratford, maybe...Heathrow to
Stansted), and even then it will do nothing for the suburban services
via Bethnal Green. I wonder if diverting the H&C trains from Barking
to Enfield and/or Cheshunt via Liverpool Street and then running the
Met to Barking would be worthwhile. It'd free up some suburban
capacity at Liverpool Street if those suburban services became through
trains.

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - London Evening Standard
 

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:42:39 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:

Do we know if Network Rail has considered converting Waterloo back
into a thru station? *One could see Hampton Court and Kingston Loop
trains running thru to the Dartford loop. *Meanwhile operation of
Charing Cross would be simplified. *There would also be economies of
fleet size and reduction in platform utilization.

No thank you. Southeastern has enough delays of its own without importing
more from South West Trains.

Anyway, the spur would probably be haunted by the ghost of South Eastern
Railway director Captain Warren, who was struck and killed by a train when
he was walking on the spur.

If one was gonna run from Hampton Court to Dartford, wouldn't it be
simpler to run via Wandsworth Road etc? *(Or does everything have to
go to Hackney for some reason?)

That would miss out the rather important stops at Waterloo and London
Bridge...-

They have plenty of services to Dartford and are pretty easy to get to
from Hampton Court etc (OK one change for London Bridge).

Err, not after you've replaced the Waterloo/Charing Cross services
with the service via Wandsworth Road...

"Rail bosses reveal radical revamp plan for Waterloo" - LondonEvening Standard
 

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Jamie Thompson wrote:

On 29 Jul, 00:29, 1506 wrote:
Met line to Liverpool Street main line

Crossrail will do this better.

Depends which eastern line you were after. Crossrail will relieve the
GEML, but the WAML won't be relieved until the quad tracking (though I
suppose Crossrail could serve it via Stratford, maybe...Heathrow to
Stansted), and even then it will do nothing for the suburban services
via Bethnal Green. I wonder if diverting the H&C trains from Barking to
Enfield and/or Cheshunt via Liverpool Street and then running the Met to
Barking would be worthwhile.

Or vice versa, with the Met going to Enfield and Cheshunt, and the H&C
carrying on to Barking.

I was thinking that the A stock would be a bit more suitable for the more
widely-spaced stations of the West Anglia, but all this would happen with
S stock anyway, i suppose. In which case it doesn't make a lot of
difference, and the H&C's connections in the west (ie Paddington) are
probably more useful.

It'd free up some suburban capacity at Liverpool Street if those
suburban services became through trains.

Yes. It's a rather good idea. Not sure quite how you'd build the link,
though.

tom

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