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Blackfriars closure
In message , at 20:57:17 on Wed, 6
Aug 2008, Tim Roll-Pickering remarked: Blackfriars is the station closest to my old school (City of London) and if it had been closed when I went there I would have been almost permanently late in the mornings and in the afternoons the combined effect of getting to the nearest station (Temple?) Mansion House is much closer, to the East. and the mainline timetable would have almost doubled my journey home. Nice! Nothing suitable available from Cannon St? "Richard Parry, London Underground's director of strategy and service development, said: "The redevelopment of Blackfriars Underground station is part of Network Rail works. Once the works are complete, customers will get a new upgraded station with step-free access, increased capacity and better interchange facilities between the Tube and national rail services." Oh yes, I've had *so* many problems interchanging with the current set-up at Blackfriars! I changed there recently and it was a pain. Needed a National Rail ticket so up lots of stairs to the ticket office from the tube. I was then catching a northbound train so had to go downstairs and back up again. -- Roland Perry |
Blackfriars closure
In message of Wed, 6 Aug 2008
20:57:17 in uk.transport.london, Tim Roll-Pickering writes Paul Scott wrote: "One of the capital's busiest Underground stations is to shut for nearly three years. Blackfriars station, used by about 44,000 City workers and tourists every day, will close for works to upgrade the main line Thameslink." Blackfriars is the station closest to my old school (City of London) and if it had been closed when I went there I would have been almost permanently late in the mornings and in the afternoons the combined effect of getting to the nearest station (Temple?) and the mainline timetable would have almost doubled my journey home. Nice! The Journey Planner shows City of London [Boys] School is a 5 minute walk from Blankfriars and 7 from Mansion House but 15 from Temple. I fancy that the service withdrawal will not be an acceptable excuse. I take it you dropped geography, early in your school career. ;) -- Walter Briscoe |
Blackfriars closure
"Peter Masson" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Aug 7, 1:48 am, " wrote: On 6 Aug, 22:55, darkprince66 wrote: 10 minutes walk? To the nearest tube station? Gasps in horror... You poor darlings ;-) I know, that was my reaction. If we weren't spoiled we wouldn't be so worried. Chancery Lane, Holborn etc aren't far. By the standards of many towns and cities, Waterloo isn't far. Francis True, but it still makes you wonder how _necessary_ the closure really is. As far as I recall, the works are to extend the platforms (to the south bank) and create four through ones instead of two through and three bays - I'm sure someone _could_ work out a way to do this leaving one platform open each time (even if Northbound only or whatever). Blackfriars NR station will remain open for most of the time. It is Blackfriars LUL which is to close (although trains will continue to run through without stopping). The adjoining stations of Mansion House and Temple are both less than half a mile away, while interchange passengers have other stations where they can access the tube network. The changes to the NR station are to change it from two through platforms, plus three east side bays, all of 8-car length, to two through 12-car platforms plus two west side bays. More significant is to rebuild the circulating areas so that the station can cope with many more passengers, including many more interchanging with LUL. There will be a new entrance on teh south bank. And still no stop on the W&C Line. BTN |
Blackfriars closure
According to this picture of what it'll look like when finished:
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...lackfriars.jpg we're getting Mk 1 stock back! Yay! -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Languages for which ISO-Latin-$n is not necessary, #1 in a series: Latin |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 7, 1:48 am, " wrote: On 6 Aug, 22:55, darkprince66 wrote: 10 minutes walk? To the nearest tube station? Gasps in horror... You poor darlings ;-) I know, that was my reaction. If we weren't spoiled we wouldn't be so worried. Chancery Lane, Holborn etc aren't far. By the standards of many towns and cities, Waterloo isn't far. Francis True, but it still makes you wonder how _necessary_ the closure really is. As far as I recall, the works are to extend the platforms (to the south bank) and create four through ones instead of two through and three bays - I'm sure someone _could_ work out a way to do this leaving one platform open each time (even if Northbound only or whatever). Er.. you've completely missed the point here - the news is about the long term closure (two and a half years) of the LU platforms, not the Thameslink ones. Paul |
Blackfriars closure
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... On Aug 7, 1:48 am, " wrote: On 6 Aug, 22:55, darkprince66 wrote: 10 minutes walk? To the nearest tube station? Gasps in horror... You poor darlings ;-) I know, that was my reaction. If we weren't spoiled we wouldn't be so worried. Chancery Lane, Holborn etc aren't far. By the standards of many towns and cities, Waterloo isn't far. Francis True, but it still makes you wonder how _necessary_ the closure really is. As far as I recall, the works are to extend the platforms (to the south bank) and create four through ones instead of two through and three bays - I'm sure someone _could_ work out a way to do this leaving one platform open each time (even if Northbound only or whatever). Er.. you've completely missed the point here - the news is about the long term closure (two and a half years) of the LU platforms, not the Thameslink ones. Interesting: I'd thought that it was the Thameslink platforms as well. What are they doing to the LU platforms and access that will take 2½ years? Obviously it's not track related if trains can still run through non-stop. |
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Mortimer wrote:
Interesting: I'd thought that it was the Thameslink platforms as well. There will be a major blockade for three/four weeks at London Blackfriars (mainline) within the next few years (in relation to bridge works I think). Other than that, the next few years will involve the closure of the core Thameslink route during weekends and, from December, weeknights as well. It is possible that some of these closures will require services to/from London Blackfriars to be bustituted. What are they doing to the LU platforms and access that will take 2½ years? Obviously it's not track related if trains can still run through non-stop. _Thameslink 2000 environmental statement : main report – inner area (June 2004)_ 2.7.6 On the north bank, the existing separate Network Rail and LUL ticket areas will be combined into a single street level shared ticket hall, accessed from a new station entrance off Queen Victoria Street. The existing subway entrance to the station will be closed. A new space accommodating the entrance, ticket hall and concourse will be created behind a façade rising to the full height of the existing building at 167-179 Queen Victoria Street, which will be demolished. This new space will also contain an LUL ventilation shaft and a mezzanine deck but will otherwise be open to its roof, creating a ‘cathedral entrance’ to the station. Access down to the Underground and up to the mainline station will be beyond a shared ticket line via escalators and lifts. The ‘cathedral entrance’ concept supersedes the design described in the 1999 ES, which envisaged a single storey replacement to 167-179 Queen Victoria Street (albeit one making provision for subsequent development above it) – the so-called 'missing tooth'. Retail units will be provided at street level and elsewhere within the station. _Thameslink 2000 Statement of Case (March 2005)_ 4.26 The design of the remodelled Underground Station now involves the complete demolition of the existing station, apart from the track and platform edge. It involves the provision within the new station of new escalators and lifts for those whose mobility is impaired, in addition to replacement of the existing station facilities and construction of a combined Underground/National Railway Network. 4.27 The closure of the Underground station during the period that these works are carried out is necessary because the safety shield required to separate the works from the running lines will reduce the available platform area to such an extent that the station cannot be operated safely for the majority of the construction period. Alternatives (such as single platform operation and weekend only closures) have been examined but all scenarios involve the reduction of the platform available to below an acceptable standard of safety. The construction strategy will be to close the station; get the work done in the shortest possible time in the safest possible environment; and re-open to a completed new station. 4.28 The closure would be for two years. A shield would be constructed around the track and train envelope along the entire length of the platforms. This would permit the works to construct the new station to be carried out at the same time as the through running of District and Circle Line trains. |
Blackfriars closure
On 7 Aug, 15:17, "Mortimer" wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... wrote in message .... On Aug 7, 1:48 am, " wrote: On 6 Aug, 22:55, darkprince66 wrote: 10 minutes walk? To the nearest tube station? Gasps in horror... You poor darlings ;-) I know, that was my reaction. If we weren't spoiled we wouldn't be so worried. Chancery Lane, Holborn etc aren't far. By the standards of many towns and cities, Waterloo isn't far. Francis True, but it still makes you wonder how _necessary_ the closure really is. *As far as I recall, the works are to extend the platforms (to the south bank) and create four through ones instead of two through and three bays - I'm sure someone _could_ work out a way to do this leaving one platform open each time (even if Northbound only or whatever). Er.. you've completely missed the point here - the news is about the long term closure (two and a half years) of the LU platforms, not the Thameslink ones. Interesting: I'd thought that it was the Thameslink platforms as well. What are they doing to the LU platforms and access that will take 2½ years? Obviously it's not track related if trains can still run through non-stop.. Given what happened at Bank ... I bet there's just one passageway closed or something, which the dubious simulation software they must be using has calculated to result in thousands of deaths through overcrowding unless they close the whole station. Let's hope that they don't apply the same simulations to stations that aren't having any work done, or they might realise that they have to close all of them. |
Blackfriars closure
MIG wrote:
Given what happened at Bank ... I bet there's just one passageway closed or something, which the dubious simulation software they must be using has calculated to result in thousands of deaths through overcrowding unless they close the whole station. I guess you've just read Sky Rider's post by now, saved me looking it up, cheers :-) Paul |
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