On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
23:48:17 on Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Alasdair
remarked:
I have come across several cases where roads have been named by
developers. There is a street in Grimsby called Thorgam Court named
after the builders Thornber and Gammon.

There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

Well, exactly.

There are two streets in Ballachulish called Elizabeth Terrace and
Angus Terrace called after the developer's parents.

If you are allowing that kind of "naming after", then many of the
Victorian roads in West Bridgford are apparently named after the
developer's relatives... Albert, Florence, Mabel, Violet, Edward,
George, Henry, Millicent etc.

Ah! The Street family! Like Albert, George and Herbert in Chesterton,
for example.

All cousins of Miss Elizabeth Way, i believe.

Speaking of Chesterton, why is there a cluster of caledonian streets
there? There's Scotland Road, Edinburgh Road, Kinross Road, Inverness
Close, Stirling Close. The road layout makes me think that Scotland Road
is quite old, but that the other ones, which are branches off it, are
newer; the houses on them are certainly all brand spanking new. My guess
would be that Scotland Road was built many years ago, and named that for
some reason, and then the new estate was built recently, and the names
chosen as a riff on the parent road.

tom

--
MADSKILLZ!

Roland Perry wrote in
:

I'm not sure that's the case. The builders often give developments such
fancy names, which are then ignored by the council with much more
prosaic names.

We had an office once in a new street the developer called Online Boulevard
-- but the council renamed Station Approach. This was reasonable enough as
it is a road to Leatherhead station. However, the road to the other side
of the station was -- and still is -- also called Station Approach, which
caused some confusion, and a nearby road which once led to a different
station is called Old Station Approach.

We didn't fancy 'Online Boulevard' (despite being an IT company), but
something a little more creative might have helped.

Peter

--
Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

Speaking of Chesterton, why is there a cluster of caledonian
streets there? There's Scotland Road, Edinburgh Road, Kinross Road,
Inverness Close, Stirling Close. The road layout makes me think
that Scotland Road is quite old, but that the other ones, which are
branches off it, are newer; the houses on them are certainly all
brand spanking new. My guess would be that Scotland Road was built
many years ago, and named that for some reason, and then the new
estate was built recently, and the names chosen as a riff on the
parent road.

It's known as the Scotland Farm estate, after what was there before the
houses.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message . uk,
at 09:30:00 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

I can have a stab at "Gwydir" (perhaps to rhyme with "why-dear", or
is it "wider"),

In Cambridge it rhymes with "wider".

but "Docwra" seems superficially unpronounceable as
there's a middle vowel missing; "Doc-wer-ah" maybe, or is it
"doe-cur-uh"

You amaze me. I've know that name since I were a lad in London
(builders'?) and I've always thought of it as "DockWRa" or "DockRa".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
11:59:31 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Tom Anderson
remarked:
There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

Well, exactly.

Care to enlighten us on your preferred pronunciations?
--
Roland Perry

In message . uk, at
12:43:00 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
but "Docwra" seems superficially unpronounceable as
there's a middle vowel missing; "Doc-wer-ah" maybe, or is it
"doe-cur-uh"

You amaze me. I've know that name since I were a lad in London

Yes, I've seen the name for a long time, but never consciously heard
anyone say it. But then it might be one of those names like Shi-vaughn
(aka Sigh-Oban) that's so different you don't even marry them up.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

Speaking of Chesterton, why is there a cluster of caledonian
streets there? There's Scotland Road, Edinburgh Road, Kinross Road,
Inverness Close, Stirling Close. The road layout makes me think
that Scotland Road is quite old, but that the other ones, which are
branches off it, are newer; the houses on them are certainly all
brand spanking new. My guess would be that Scotland Road was built
many years ago, and named that for some reason, and then the new
estate was built recently, and the names chosen as a riff on the
parent road.

It's known as the Scotland Farm estate, after what was there before the
houses.

That would certainly explain it. Thanks!

tom

--
First man to add a mixer get a shoeing! -- The Laird

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:59:31
on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Tom Anderson remarked:
There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

Well, exactly.

Care to enlighten us on your preferred pronunciations?

I've no idea how to pronounce either of them!

tom

--
First man to add a mixer get a shoeing! -- The Laird

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message . uk,
at 12:43:00 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
but "Docwra" seems superficially unpronounceable as
there's a middle vowel missing; "Doc-wer-ah" maybe, or is it
"doe-cur-uh"

You amaze me. I've know that name since I were a lad in London

Yes, I've seen the name for a long time, but never consciously
heard anyone say it. But then it might be one of those names like
Shi-vaughn (aka Sigh-Oban) that's so different you don't even marry
them up.

On reflection in an idle moment earlier today on my way back from the
Parliamentary Pass Office I think it's just a standard silent "W", like
in "wright" or "wring".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry wrote:
In message . uk, at
09:30:00 on Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Colin Rosenstiel
remarked:
There's a Docwra's Close next to Shepreth Station. Pronounce that!

No harder than "Gwydir".

I can have a stab at "Gwydir" (perhaps to rhyme with "why-dear", or is
it "wider"),

Assuming this is the one in Cambridge, something like "G'why-der" is
about what I knew it as, rhyming with wider, but I didn't know many
natives to know how they might say it - the chap I know who lives in
said street is from Herefordshire. Whitefriargate in Hull is locally
called Whitefrargate, with a missing middle "i", but there is no way of
knowing that.

It's Cambridge, there must be a website. Aha:
http://www.colc.co.uk/cambridge/gwydir/name.htm

"Gwydir Castle is the ancestral home of the powerful Wynn family,
descended from the kings of Gwynedd and one of the most significant
families of North Wales during the Tudor and Stuart periods. ... The
Welsh "Gwydir" is pronounced differently from Cambridge, with the
syllables rhyming with "squid" and "beer". Our "Gwydir" in Cambridge
rhymes with "rider".



but "Docwra" seems superficially unpronounceable as there's
a middle vowel missing; "Doc-wer-ah" maybe, or is it "doe-cur-uh"



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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK