On 8 Sep, 18:54, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message

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The media are reporting that the driver of the bus has been arrested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7603444.stm

It is also reported that the fatality was a bus passenger, and not a
pedestrian as initial information suggested.

Peter

I thought initial reports mentioned 'blood everywhere'?.....only
inside the bus then, and likely not even there.

Chris gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

It is also reported that the fatality was a bus passenger, and not a
pedestrian as initial information suggested.

I thought initial reports mentioned 'blood everywhere'?.....only inside
the bus then, and likely not even there.

Depends how he left the bus. The doesn't appear to be much of the upper
front window remaining.

Chris wrote:
On 8 Sep, 18:54, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message

...

The media are reporting that the driver of the bus has been arrested.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7603444.stm

It is also reported that the fatality was a bus passenger, and not a
pedestrian as initial information suggested.

Peter

I thought initial reports mentioned 'blood everywhere'?.....only
inside the bus then, and likely not even there.

The reports I have read suggest the passenger had been upstairs, and was
ejected from the bus during (part of) the accident. This would make
sense of the confusion as to whether he had been a passenger or a
pedestrian.

Robin

[1] I have a very vague recollection of having seen bus stencils
somewhere in the UK. Bike stencils are provided in places though,
unlike some other places, there is no stencil on the red lens.

Birmingham, at the junction of Longmore Street and Belgrave Middleway.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...2,0.01001&z=17

Buses and Bikes can go straight on from Longmore Street into Horton
Square, cars can only go left. There's both a bus stencil and a bike
stencil, and bizarrely they have separate lanes.

The layout is hideous, as the dedicated bike lane to cross the
Middleway heading north is in the middle of the road and the bike lane
runs along a widened pavement to the west (where you'd expect it) and
then crosses into the middle of Longmore Street unprotected (where you
sort of expect it). But coming from Horton Square you end up again in
in the centre of the road and are expected to move right, into the bi-
directional bike lane, unprotected. So you have massive traffic light
protection for a move across Belgrave Middleway, but fifteen yards the
other side you have to make a weird, unprotected move which drivers
won't be expecting: from the perspective of a driver heading north,
they'll confront oncoming bikes heading south in the middle of the
road crossing to the western side of the road.

This is part of National Cycle Route 5, and is the recommended route
to cycle from the South West of the city into Birmingham (along Gooch
Street) and is also a useful route towards the Grand Union at Camp
Hill locks (cycling on belgrave Middleway is hard work when you can
cut diagonally across). I just get in the bus lane and behave like a
bus...

ian

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, wrote:

[1] I have a very vague recollection of having seen bus stencils
somewhere in the UK. Bike stencils are provided in places though,
unlike some other places, there is no stencil on the red lens.

Birmingham, at the junction of Longmore Street and Belgrave Middleway.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...2,0.01001&z=17

Buses and Bikes can go straight on from Longmore Street into Horton
Square, cars can only go left. There's both a bus stencil and a bike
stencil, and bizarrely they have separate lanes.

The layout is hideous, as the dedicated bike lane to cross the Middleway
heading north is in the middle of the road and the bike lane runs along
a widened pavement to the west (where you'd expect it) and then crosses
into the middle of Longmore Street unprotected (where you sort of expect
it). But coming from Horton Square you end up again in in the centre of
the road and are expected to move right, into the bi- directional bike
lane, unprotected. So you have massive traffic light protection for a
move across Belgrave Middleway, but fifteen yards the other side you
have to make a weird, unprotected move which drivers won't be expecting:
from the perspective of a driver heading north, they'll confront
oncoming bikes heading south in the middle of the road crossing to the
western side of the road.

Yes, that's a classic bit of cycle lane dickery. That point should at the
very least be protected by an island rather than some crosshatching, and
should really have some lights on it too.

I note that there's a primary school to the east, with access from that
road. Would this not be an ideal place for a pedestrian crossing, with
which the cycle lane crossover could be integrated?

Really, though, the solution is just not to build cycle lanes. Copious
research shows that in situations like this - indeed, in almost all urban
situations - they cause more accidents than they prevent.

Anyway, some more dickery in return - i've been meaning to post this photo
for ages, and you've prompted me to do so:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2844493252/

It's about he

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.52544%2C-0.126214

This is part of National Cycle Route 5, and is the recommended route to
cycle from the South West of the city into Birmingham (along Gooch
Street) and is also a useful route towards the Grand Union at Camp Hill
locks (cycling on belgrave Middleway is hard work when you can cut
diagonally across). I just get in the bus lane and behave like a bus...

This is also my strategy. I'm getting very good at brrrmming noises.

tom

--
Baby got a masterplan. A foolproof masterplan.

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as
gently breathed:

I just get in the bus lane and behave like a
bus...

At least you can drop to the racing position for low bridges. Possibly
that's what the next generation of double-deckers needs? :-)

--
- DJ Pyromancer, Black Sheep, Leeds. http://www.sheepish.net
- http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk http://www.revival.stormshadow.com

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Tom
Anderson gently breathed:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2844493252/

You should send that to the Warrington Cycle Campaign for their
"Facility Of The Month" page - top work!

--
- DJ Pyromancer, Black Sheep, Leeds. http://www.sheepish.net
- http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk http://www.revival.stormshadow.com

On Sep 10, 12:29*am, Tom Anderson wrote:

diagonally across). *I just get in the bus lane and behave like a bus....

This is also my strategy. I'm getting very good at brrrmming noises.

I can ride fast enough, and more to the point accelerate rapidly
enough, that I can outperform buses in urban settings. But then I
don't need the bike lanes in the first place --- fit, alert, knows
what cars do by virtue of having driven them for twenty-five years,
plus the added je ne said quoi have having a few years' motorbike
experience too. My kids, however, don't have many of those
attributes, and things like National Cycle Routes _should_ be aimed at
them: if not for children / the nervous / the inexperienced, what's
the point of traffic engineering the roads in city centres?

ian

In article ,
(Pyromancer) wrote:

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Tom
Anderson gently breathed:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2844493252/

You should send that to the Warrington Cycle Campaign for their
"Facility Of The Month" page - top work!

I use the segregated cycle lane sections to the west of that location
between the Bedford Way/Tavistock Sq junction and Marchmont St on my way
from Westminster to King's Cross station.

I don't use the section between Marchmont St and Judd St illustrated and
have never seen this nonsense. I can't for the life of me think why that
crossover isn't arranged at the lights on the Judd St junction but then
they wouldn't have the anti-cyclist lights arrangement at the Marchmont
St junction if they were that sensible.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:

Anyway, some more dickery in return - i've been meaning to post this photo
for ages, and you've prompted me to do so:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2844493252/

You do know about this, don't you? You should submit your photo.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.me...month/index.ht
m

Sam