In message
of
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes
[snip]
(And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied
together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with
regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly
Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.)

Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street.
I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more
helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of
those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here.
--
Walter Briscoe

In message of Mon, 22 Sep 2008
10:27:13 in uk.transport.london, Walter Briscoe
writes
In message
of
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes
[snip]
(And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied
together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with
regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly
Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.)

Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street.
I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more
helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of
those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here.

They've just followed up to ask me to couch my request for information
as a Freedom of Information Act request. Heigh Ho!
--
Walter Briscoe

They've just followed up to ask me to couch my request for information
as a Freedom of Information Act request. Heigh Ho!
--
Walter Briscoe

Interestingly I was thinking about this the other day (having passed
through the interchange at Euston).

I'd actually just emailed the TfL press office to see if they could
get hold of any more details for me (as they're normally pretty
helpful) before i saw this, so if i get any info in response i'll
update.

John Bull

Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message
of
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes
[snip]
(And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied
together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with
regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly
Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.)

Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street.
I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more
helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of
those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here.

I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of
stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail
ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea.

The current list reads as follows:

Aldgate Farringdon Queens Park
Amersham Finsbury Park Richmond
Baker Street Greenwich Seven Sisters
Balham Highbury & Islington Southwark
Bank Kensington Olympia Stratford
Barking Kentish Town Tottenham Hale
Blackfriars King's Cross St. Pancras Tower Hill
Blackhorse Road Lancaster Gate Upminster
Cannon Street Lewisham Vauxhall
Charing Cross Limehouse Victoria
Ealing Broadway Liverpool Street Walthamstow Ctl
Edgware Road London Bridge Waterloo
Elephant & Castle Marylebone West Brompton
Embankment Moorgate West Ham
Euston Old Street West Hampstead
Euston Square Paddington Wimbledon

Cheers,

Barry

In message , Barry Salter
writes
I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of
stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail
ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea.

That's a surprisingly long list.

Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two
(typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini?
E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving
at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by
walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? And if so is it
technically valid to do this?

--
Clive Page

In article , ine (Clive
Page) wrote:

In message , Barry Salter
writes
I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of
stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail
ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea.

That's a surprisingly long list.

Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two
(typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail
termini? E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but
upon arriving at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded
tube station by walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work
there? And if so is it technically valid to do this?

AIUI it will work.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 9 Oct, 19:45, Clive Page wrote:
Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two
(typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini?
E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving
at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by
walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? Â*And if so is it
technically valid to do this?

The list is from the National Fares Manual, which introduces it thus:
"Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via
London’ and marked with the symbol âœ*, include the cost of transfer
across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect
train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross-
London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the
following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail
journey being made."

U

In message
, at
16:23:27 on Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Mr Thant
remarked:
Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two
(typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini?
E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving
at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by
walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? Â*And if so is it
technically valid to do this?

The list is from the National Fares Manual, which introduces it thus:
"Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via
London’ and marked with the symbol ?, include the cost of transfer
across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect
train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross-
London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the
following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail
journey being made."

So all we need to know is whether or not Euston Square is considered
"appropriate" for a transferee from KX.
--
Roland Perry

Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two
(typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail
termini?

It's my belief, based on experience and some knowledge of the underlying
software, that any NR ticket with cross-London validity works for any
(one) journey between any two of these stations.

If the tickets were to be restricted to a truly 'appropriate' journey,
either the ticket would have to list (on its magstripe) all the NR
stations 'appropriate' to both ends of the cross-London journey, or the
barrier would have to be able to deduce that information, given the (NR)
endpoints of the journey. The former would (in extreme cases) need more
capacity on the magstripe than exists, and the latter would probably
require the barrier to have access to the entire routing guide.

By 'extreme cases' I mean something like Birmingham to East Croydon,
where you could arrive at any of several London stations and travel to
any of several others. If you wanted to make it truly 'appropriate'
then the validity of the ticket on LU would have to depend on which NR
terminus you actually arrived at, and validity on NR leaving London
would have to depend on where you left LU (eg if you got off the tube at
Charing Cross, then it would be 'inappropriate' to take an NR train from
Victoria). I'm quite sure that isn't the case.

There remains of course the possibility that even though the barriers
allow it, the ticket isn't actually valid for the journey.

Peter

--
Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Barry Salter wrote:

Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message
of Sun,
21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes
[snip]
(And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied
together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with
regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly
Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.)

Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street.
I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more
helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of those
interchanges. If they do, I will forward here.

I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of stations
that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail ticketing
purposes, as that'll give a vague idea.

Do OOSIs affect Oyster pay-as-you-go fares? I do Finsbury Park - Euston
- Watford Junction fairly often, and i have no idea if i'm being charged
for two trips or one. I suppose i could just go and look at my Oyster
history!

tom

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