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of Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] (And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.) Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street. I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here. -- Walter Briscoe |
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In message of Mon, 22 Sep 2008
10:27:13 in uk.transport.london, Walter Briscoe writes In message of Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] (And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.) Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street. I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here. They've just followed up to ask me to couch my request for information as a Freedom of Information Act request. Heigh Ho! ![]() -- Walter Briscoe |
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They've just followed up to ask me to couch my request for information
as a Freedom of Information Act request. Heigh Ho! ![]() -- Walter Briscoe Interestingly I was thinking about this the other day (having passed through the interchange at Euston). I'd actually just emailed the TfL press office to see if they could get hold of any more details for me (as they're normally pretty helpful) before i saw this, so if i get any info in response i'll update. John Bull |
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Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] (And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.) Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street. I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here. I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea. The current list reads as follows: Aldgate Farringdon Queens Park Amersham Finsbury Park Richmond Baker Street Greenwich Seven Sisters Balham Highbury & Islington Southwark Bank Kensington Olympia Stratford Barking Kentish Town Tottenham Hale Blackfriars King's Cross St. Pancras Tower Hill Blackhorse Road Lancaster Gate Upminster Cannon Street Lewisham Vauxhall Charing Cross Limehouse Victoria Ealing Broadway Liverpool Street Walthamstow Ctl Edgware Road London Bridge Waterloo Elephant & Castle Marylebone West Brompton Embankment Moorgate West Ham Euston Old Street West Hampstead Euston Square Paddington Wimbledon Cheers, Barry |
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In message , Barry Salter
writes I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea. That's a surprisingly long list. Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two (typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini? E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? And if so is it technically valid to do this? -- Clive Page |
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On 9 Oct, 19:45, Clive Page wrote:
Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two (typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini? E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? Â*And if so is it technically valid to do this? The list is from the National Fares Manual, which introduces it thus: "Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via London’ and marked with the symbol âś*, include the cost of transfer across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross- London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail journey being made." U |
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, at 16:23:27 on Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Mr Thant remarked: Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two (typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini? E.g. if you are going from say Cambridge to Bristol, but upon arriving at King's Cross you decide to avoid the over-crowded tube station by walking to Euston Square, will the ticket work there? Â*And if so is it technically valid to do this? The list is from the National Fares Manual, which introduces it thus: "Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via London’ and marked with the symbol ?, include the cost of transfer across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross- London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail journey being made." So all we need to know is whether or not Euston Square is considered "appropriate" for a transferee from KX. -- Roland Perry |
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Does anyone know: if you have a national rail ticket coded for
cross-London travel will it work at any of these, or just the two (typically) that are adjacent to the appropriate national rail termini? It's my belief, based on experience and some knowledge of the underlying software, that any NR ticket with cross-London validity works for any (one) journey between any two of these stations. If the tickets were to be restricted to a truly 'appropriate' journey, either the ticket would have to list (on its magstripe) all the NR stations 'appropriate' to both ends of the cross-London journey, or the barrier would have to be able to deduce that information, given the (NR) endpoints of the journey. The former would (in extreme cases) need more capacity on the magstripe than exists, and the latter would probably require the barrier to have access to the entire routing guide. By 'extreme cases' I mean something like Birmingham to East Croydon, where you could arrive at any of several London stations and travel to any of several others. If you wanted to make it truly 'appropriate' then the validity of the ticket on LU would have to depend on which NR terminus you actually arrived at, and validity on NR leaving London would have to depend on where you left LU (eg if you got off the tube at Charing Cross, then it would be 'inappropriate' to take an NR train from Victoria). I'm quite sure that isn't the case. There remains of course the possibility that even though the barriers allow it, the ticket isn't actually valid for the journey. Peter -- Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com |
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Barry Salter wrote:
Walter Briscoe wrote: In message of Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T writes [snip] (And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.) Both true. As is Euston Square and Euston but not ES and Warren Street. I've just been through to LU customer services and got one of the more helpful members of their staff. They will try to assemble a list of those interchanges. If they do, I will forward here. I would've thought a fairly good place to start would be the list of stations that are valid for cross-London transfer for National Rail ticketing purposes, as that'll give a vague idea. Do OOSIs affect Oyster pay-as-you-go fares? I do Finsbury Park - Euston - Watford Junction fairly often, and i have no idea if i'm being charged for two trips or one. I suppose i could just go and look at my Oyster history! tom -- Understanding the universe is the final purpose, as far as I'm concerned. -- Ian York |
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