On 11 Oct, 20:46, MIG wrote:
(Although I suspect that fare evaders won't be touched at all, while
the authorities concentrate on people caught out by Oyster anomalies.

Eh? They get charged four quid through an entirely separate 'minimum
fare' scheme.

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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:18:23 -0700 (PDT), John B wrote:

(Although I suspect that fare evaders won't be touched at all, while
the authorities concentrate on people caught out by Oyster anomalies.

Eh? They get charged four quid through an entirely separate 'minimum
fare' scheme.

Not entirely separate - if you fail to touch in (or re-touch in after
an OOSI, etc), you can still be given a Penalty Fare.

Paul Scott wrote:
Surprised the increase to £50 (£25 if paid within 3 weeks) on TfL services
hasn't been mentioned:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/10025.aspx

I wonder if mainline rail, regional trams, and the TW Metro etc will follow?

It's already £80 on Metrolink in Manchester.


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Stephen

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:10:03 +0100, Stephen Farrow
wrote:

It's already £80 on Metrolink in Manchester.

With a discount for prompt payment, I presume? Good. It should be
set at that kind of level (as the amounts concerned are similar to
parking offences), but equally come with decriminalisation of fare
dodging so the Penalty Fare doesn't just exist to penalise those
making a mistake.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:10:03 +0100, Stephen Farrow
wrote:

It's already £80 on Metrolink in Manchester.

With a discount for prompt payment, I presume? Good. It should be
set at that kind of level (as the amounts concerned are similar to
parking offences), but equally come with decriminalisation of fare
dodging so the Penalty Fare doesn't just exist to penalise those
making a mistake.

Metrolink call it a "Standard Fare", with levels as follows:

1st Offence: £10 on the spot, £15 within 21 days
2nd Offence: £20 on the spot, £30 within 21 days
3rd Offence: £40 on the spot, £60 within 21 days
4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

The figures above are based on a rolling 12 month period.

So if, for example:

1. You get stopped by a Metrolink revenue inspector on 31st October
and no other offence is committed for a full twelve months, you will
return to a clean record.

2. You get stopped by a Metrolink revenue inspector on 31st October
and then again on the 3rd November in the same year you will be at the
2nd offence level and this will remain with you for a full twelve months
before returning to a clean record.

Cheers,

Barry

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:43:20 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote:

4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Neil

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On 15 Oct, 06:30, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:43:20 +0100, Barry Salter

wrote:
4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Perhaps a debit card?

What's to stop you from giving a false name and paying £10 cash?

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:05 +0100, Paul Weaver wrote

4th Offence: £80 on the spot or prosecution

Given that most people don't carry £80 in their wallet, do they march
you to a cashpoint?

Perhaps a debit card?

Many people don't carry them.

On Oct 11, 7:36*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
" Willms" wrote in message

...

Am Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:32:03 UTC, *schrieb "Paul Scott"
*auf uk.railway :

Surprised the increase to £50 (£25 if paid within 3 weeks) on TfL
services
hasn't been mentioned:

*"This is an increase from the current level of £20 on the Buses,
Tubes, Docklands Light Railway (DLR) and London Overground. "

*Well, the Conservatives act as one would expect. Hard, but ruthless.

Nice try Lüko - the '2008 Act' would have commenced it's progress years
ago...

Paul

January 2006 actually... http://services.parliament.uk/bills/...forlondon.html

wrote in message
...
On Oct 11, 7:36 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Lüko Willms" wrote in message

...

"This is an increase from the current level of £20 on the Buses,
Tubes, Docklands Light Railway (DLR) and London Overground. "

Well, the Conservatives act as one would expect. Hard, but ruthless.

Nice try Lüko - the '2008 Act' would have commenced it's progress years
ago...


January 2006 actually...
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/...forlondon.html

Exactly - nearly 3 years. So it can't really be blamed on Boris, as Lüko
was trying to imply, I think...

Paul S