Oyster Card - charge?
 

Hi,

I've looked over the groups and the Oyster website and cannot find the
answer to my question:

Is there a charge to own an Oyster card in the first place or do you
just pay the cost of the season/monthly/7-day travelcard and get the
card for free? I've been told that there is a charge for the card
itself, with the actual cost of transport to be paid on top.

please can someone clarify?

thanks

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"amd" wrote in message
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Is there a charge to own an Oyster card in the first place or do you
just pay the cost of the season/monthly/7-day travelcard and get the
card for free? I've been told that there is a charge for the card
itself, with the actual cost of transport to be paid on top.

please can someone clarify?

No charge

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"Robin Mayes" wrote in message ...
"amd" wrote in message
om...
Is there a charge to own an Oyster card in the first place or do you
just pay the cost of the season/monthly/7-day travelcard and get the
card for free? I've been told that there is a charge for the card
itself, with the actual cost of transport to be paid on top.

please can someone clarify?

No charge

Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
om...
"Robin Mayes" wrote in message
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"amd" wrote in message
om...
Is there a charge to own an Oyster card in the first place or do you
just pay the cost of the season/monthly/7-day travelcard and get the
card for free? I've been told that there is a charge for the card
itself, with the actual cost of transport to be paid on top.

please can someone clarify?

No charge

Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"Ed Crowley" typed



"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
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"Robin Mayes" wrote in message
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"amd" wrote in message
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Is there a charge to own an Oyster card in the first place or do you
just pay the cost of the season/monthly/7-day travelcard and get the
card for free? I've been told that there is a charge for the card
itself, with the actual cost of transport to be paid on top.

please can someone clarify?

No charge

Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)


I hope you don't have any store loyalty cards. They can inform Big
Brother precisely which shade of loo paper you use, how much and how
frequently you buy it...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"Ed Crowley" wrote in message t...
Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

Paul Weaver" wrote in message
om...
"Ed Crowley" wrote in message
t...
Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue
paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

Not sure how they will hold the info from an Oyster, but I expect when you
get your card you then agree to TFL being able to store and analyse all your
journeys. They'll know where you travel to for work, where you go at
weekends. It won't be long before they send you relevent leaflets from
companies in your area.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"simon" wrote in message
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Paul Weaver" wrote in message
om...
"Ed Crowley" wrote in message
t...
Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one? I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I
go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway, but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue
paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

Not sure how they will hold the info from an Oyster, but I expect when you
get your card you then agree to TFL being able to store and analyse all
your
journeys. They'll know where you travel to for work, where you go at
weekends. It won't be long before they send you relevent leaflets from
companies in your area.


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Plus, the ramifications of other people potentially being able to purchase a
record of my movements...no thanks!

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"HP" wrote in message
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"simon" wrote in message
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Paul Weaver" wrote in message
om...
"Ed Crowley" wrote in message
t...
Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one?
I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I
go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway,
but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue
paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

Not sure how they will hold the info from an Oyster, but I expect when
you
get your card you then agree to TFL being able to store and analyse all
your
journeys. They'll know where you travel to for work, where you go at
weekends. It won't be long before they send you relevent leaflets from
companies in your area.


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can
place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are
likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Plus, the ramifications of other people potentially being able to purchase
a
record of my movements...no thanks!

And no, i do not use store cards or credit cards for everyday purchases
either :)

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"HP" wrote in message
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"simon" wrote in message
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Paul Weaver" wrote in message
om...
"Ed Crowley" wrote in message
t...
Do you have to fill in some form or can you have an anonymous one?
I
dont want LUL to build up a pattern of where I go and what time I
go -
I know that face recognition and CCTV will do this soon anyway,
but
you've got to resist where you can.

If you want to remain completely anonymous you'll have to continue
paying
cash for paper tickets wearing a balaclava. ;-)

Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

Not sure how they will hold the info from an Oyster, but I expect when
you
get your card you then agree to TFL being able to store and analyse all
your
journeys. They'll know where you travel to for work, where you go at
weekends. It won't be long before they send you relevent leaflets from
companies in your area.


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can
place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are
likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Plus, the ramifications of other people potentially being able to purchase
a
record of my movements...no thanks!

If you've already got a monthly paper travelcard LUL already have this data.
The Oystercard just adds bus journeys to the data they could collect about
you.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can
place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are
likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Plus, the ramifications of other people potentially being able to
purchase
a
record of my movements...no thanks!

If you've already got a monthly paper travelcard LUL already have this
data.
The Oystercard just adds bus journeys to the data they could collect about
you.


Were the ticket machines definitely able to hold data from paper travelcards
?

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"simon" wrote in message
...


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can
place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are
likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Plus, the ramifications of other people potentially being able to
purchase
a
record of my movements...no thanks!

If you've already got a monthly paper travelcard LUL already have this
data.
The Oystercard just adds bus journeys to the data they could collect
about
you.


Were the ticket machines definitely able to hold data from paper
travelcards
?

I should have added the word *potentially*. As a paper ticket has a ID
number just like an Oystercard, it would be fairly trivial to log everything
in a database and cross-reference it with the customer records.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:41:06 +0100, "HP" wrote:


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Serves you right for getting a criminal record in the first place,
then :-)

Oyster Card - charge?
 

K typed


On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:41:06 +0100, "HP" wrote:


One of the things that scare me about these cards is the way they can place
you near a scene of a crime, so if you have a record anyway, you are likely
to raise alarm bells even if you had nothing to do with it.

Serves you right for getting a criminal record in the first place,
then :-)


ITYM "Serves you right for buying a bog roll from Sainsbury's..." ;-)

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"Ed Crowley" wrote in message t...
If you've already got a monthly paper travelcard LUL already have this data.
The Oystercard just adds bus journeys to the data they could collect about
you.

Really? You had to give your name and address? Do they ask for
documentation or can you give any old name?

Asda asked me for my postcode today "Do you mind if I take your
postcode?", "Yes", *blank stare*. I dont think they are used to people
refusing. I was going to give "SW1A 1AA" but I forgot :(

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In message , Paul
Weaver writes
Well I always pay cash, and I'm thinking of buying a balaclava. I dont
peopel people seeing me, I dont like my movements in a database. Soon
as we get a corrupt government (basically all socialist and
conservative governments) they can abuse the information.

I'm afraid you are too paranoid to live in modern society. Please call
in at your nearest deprogramming centre where your sentient abilities
will be disabled to prevent further distress. Please be assured your
continuing welfare will be provided for in your new role as a Labour MP.
--
James Masterton - www.masterton.co.uk

Oyster Card - charge?
 

K wrote in message . ..
Serves you right for getting a criminal record in the first place,
then :-)

Ahh, the typical commumist viewpoint. What if you've just been
suspected - adter all they want to take your DNA now even if you arent
guilty. Of if you live in a dodgy area? Or if you have unpaid parking
tickets? Or if they just need to look like they are doing something
and pick you out for the sake of it.

And all it takes is someone to copy your oyster card (dont say it cant
happen), and then the police go "what were you doing in wimbledon on
the night of the 15th" and you say you werent there, but they have the
evidence.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

On 17 Sep 2003 12:25:30 -0700, (Paul Weaver)
wrote:

"Ed Crowley" wrote in message t...
If you've already got a monthly paper travelcard LUL already have this data.
The Oystercard just adds bus journeys to the data they could collect about
you.

Asda asked me for my postcode today "Do you mind if I take your
postcode?", "Yes", *blank stare*. I dont think they are used to people
refusing. I was going to give "SW1A 1AA" but I forgot :(

There's a leaflet in Asda explaining it's purely for statistical
purposes, to see what areas the shoppers come from and to target local
advertising.

A postcode alone is not enough to identiffy most addresses, and
certainly won't identify the occupants.


Cheers,

Jason.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:21:03 +0100, Jason Hobbs King wrote:
A postcode alone is not enough to identiffy most addresses, and
certainly won't identify the occupants.

No it wont, yet it is still gathering information, and they can make a
good guess from one person to the next. You might be the only customer
from that address, and they can see you buy similar things each shop. Pay
by credit card once and they can fairly confidently link all of your shops
together under your name.

Oyster Card - charge?
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:13:16 +0100, David Boothroyd wrote:
What I wonder is whether it's possible to search for a specified Oyster
card chip in the neighbourhood by stepping up the power of a detector. It's
done on RF so it's not totally impossible that all you would need to do to
find one is have a suitably sensitive detector and then it wouldn't matter
whether someone used the card.

I'm guess its something like an RFID, and we all know how bad those are

Oyster Card - charge?
 

"David Boothroyd" wrote in message
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What I wonder is whether it's possible to search for a specified Oyster
card chip in the neighbourhood by stepping up the power of a detector.
It's
done on RF so it's not totally impossible that all you would need to do to
find one is have a suitably sensitive detector and then it wouldn't matter
whether someone used the card.


but then how would it get feedback from the card?

Oyster Card - charge?
 

I registered online. Can I get them to send me a card with *no*
tickets or seasons loaded?

A blank in other words...

Gordo
--
This is not my sig nature....
gordo AT loop zilla.org......

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"Gordon Joly" wrote in message
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I registered online. Can I get them to send me a card with *no*
tickets or seasons loaded?

A blank in other words...

No.