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Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow
stopper for the last couple of miles? How long does a "stop" take for the Eurostar? Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email. |
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Zonky wrote:
Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow stopper for the last couple of miles? It's no different from WCML trains stopping at Watford Junction. It relieves the pressure on capacity at Kings Cross St Pancras, though presumably it will be only some trains that stop at Stratford. (Hmm, wonder if Freedom Passes wil be accepted for Stratford-St Pancras?) How long does a "stop" take for the Eurostar? No longer than for any other long distance express in my experience. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in
: Zonky wrote: Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow stopper for the last couple of miles? It's no different from WCML trains stopping at Watford Junction. It relieves the pressure on capacity at Kings Cross St Pancras, though presumably it will be only some trains that stop at Stratford. (Hmm, wonder if Freedom Passes wil be accepted for Stratford-St Pancras?) Presumably there will be no trains stopping St Pancras - Stratford - Ashford - Calais - Lille - Gare Du Nord ! Still, for an express long distance service, it does seem silly to add the short stop so close to the final destination.... How long does a "stop" take for the Eurostar? No longer than for any other long distance express in my experience. But in context of a train passing through without stopping? 3-4 minutes is reasonable? Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email. |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:23:55 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Zonky wrote: Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow stopper for the last couple of miles? It's no different from WCML trains stopping at Watford Junction. It relieves the pressure on capacity at Kings Cross St Pancras, though presumably it will be only some trains that stop at Stratford. Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a lot of more regular users of the service would. Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge www.samholloway.co.uk |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:48:59 +0100, Sam Holloway
wrote: Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a lot of more regular users of the service would. Wheras St Pancras is only on the Met, H&C, Circle, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines? |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:48:59 +0100, Sam Holloway wrote: Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a lot of more regular users of the service would. Wheras St Pancras is only on the Met, H&C, Circle, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines? Not a lot of help if you don't live on them. For a lot of people whose local station is on the Central, Jubilee or DLR (and I'm one such person) Stratford is a much more convenient place to get to. -- message by Robin May, consumer of liquids If bathroom means toilet in America, I'll have a shower please. Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort. |
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Zonky wrote in message . 44...
Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow stopper for the last couple of miles? Often wondered about similar routes - the transpennine from manchester to liverpool stops at oxford road as well as piccadilly. If anything it should stop at deansgate, a metrolink interchange (saving 20 minutes off a journey to altrincham or eccles from liverpool or warrington). But you would guess that a eurostar would stop paris, lille, ashford, london. The two main cities and the two sides of the tunnel. Who wants to go to stratford anyway? Of course, is the tunnel really used as much as it should be? Where are overnight through trains to Italy and Germany? (Preferably at Italian prices - 10p per mile for an overnight couchette). |
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In message , Paul
Weaver writes Of course, is the tunnel really used as much as it should be? Eurostar is just one of four companies using the tunnel - the Shuttle also uses it for a frequent service (four trains an hour in each direction at peak times), and EWS and SNCF run international freight services through it, mainly during the night. I suspect it may well be approaching capacity as EuroTunnel say they have submitted a proposal for a second tunnel. Where are overnight through trains to Italy and Germany? I doubt there would ever be much demand for Italy - sleeper services are costly to run, and 24 hours on the train compares badly with a 2-hour cheap flight. (Preferably at Italian prices - 10p per mile for an overnight couchette). Italian rail prices are indeed excellent, but even at 10p a mile London to Rome would be much more than I normally pay for a flight! -- Paul Terry |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:57:57 +0100, K wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:48:59 +0100, Sam Holloway wrote: Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a lot of more regular users of the service would. Wheras St Pancras is only on the Met, H&C, Circle, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines? Yes, exactly my point. Between those two stations, you've covered most lines without requiring an additional change. (You're only missing Bakerloo, W&C, East London and District!) Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge www.samholloway.co.uk |
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Is Stratford station going to be extended / redesigned when the Eurostar arrives ? Will it be like Waterloo (Large holding areas etc) ? The station at the moment is pretty full during the peaks, without loads of international passengers. The Central line / NR platforms are not that wide either. I presume all of this has been thought of though. Hasn't it ? |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:30 -0000 Zonky wrote:
} Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow } stopper for the last couple of miles? The main point is that it will be 10 mins walk from my front door; couldn't have let 'em do it otherwise. Seriously, Stratford is already an interchange for Mainline, DLR, Jubilee and Central services. With the DLR it will have a link to City Airport. It will make passenger access significantly easier for a great many people. Additionally it has freight links with Harwich and Felixtowe. I don;t know how much freight was a consideration byt it seems reasonable to suspect that it played a part. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:57:57 +0100 K wrote:
} On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:48:59 +0100, Sam Holloway } wrote: } } } } Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. } Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a } lot of more regular users of the service would. } } Wheras St Pancras is only on the Met, H&C, Circle, Northern, } Piccadilly and Victoria lines? Not quite the point. A stratford stop *adds* direct access to the other lines. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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Robin May wrote in message .. .
K wrote the following in: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:48:59 +0100, Sam Holloway wrote: Plus Stratford is on the Central, Jubilee & DLR - St Pancras isn't. Yes, most newbies and tourists won't appreciate that but I imagine a lot of more regular users of the service would. Wheras St Pancras is only on the Met, H&C, Circle, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines? Not a lot of help if you don't live on them. For a lot of people whose local station is on the Central, Jubilee or DLR (and I'm one such person) Stratford is a much more convenient place to get to. Except that you'll have to walk about half a mile to get to the Jubilee platforms! |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:38:13 +0100 Paul Terry wrote:
} } Where are overnight through trains to Italy and Germany? } } I doubt there would ever be much demand for Italy - sleeper services are } costly to run, and 24 hours on the train compares badly with a 2-hour } cheap flight. } } (Preferably at Italian prices - 10p per mile for an overnight } couchette). } } Italian rail prices are indeed excellent, but even at 10p a mile London } to Rome would be much more than I normally pay for a flight! Earlier this year I had to get from Paris to London to Siena in about 18 hours. Although I didn't use the option I did consider cutting out the London bit and discovered that I could get from Paris to Pisa for eur 80. Just how far could one travel in the UK with a standard second class open return costing fifty quid? Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:47:44 +0000 (UTC) simon wrote:
} } Is Stratford station going to be extended / redesigned when the Eurostar } arrives ? Will it be like Waterloo (Large holding areas etc) ? } } The station at the moment is pretty full during the peaks, without loads of } international passengers. The Central line / NR platforms are not that wide } either. } } I presume all of this has been thought of though. Hasn't it ? Somewhat. http://www.ctrl.co.uk/introduction/s...s.asp?L=2&SL=8 There's an entirely new station "behind" the current Stratford station - A new building is being constructed including all passenger facilities over the Stratford Box. Two international and two domestic platforms will be built, a canopy link to Stratford main line station, and car parking will be provided. Works are also taking place at Waterden Road junction and the main access road to Stratford station including a new bridge over the River Lee. There is also an extention to the DLR that will provide dual platforms at the extsiting Stratford and a new terminus at the International station. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen...d/stations.htm Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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In message , simon
writes Is Stratford station going to be extended / redesigned when the Eurostar arrives ? Most of Stratford gets extended! The Stratford City project is for 13.5 million square feet of new building (180 acres), including a new ticket hall for the existing station (on the north side of the tracks) and an additional new bus station. Eurostar gets its own station, of course - two international platforms and two domestic ones. Will it be like Waterloo (Large holding areas etc) ? It won't need to be so large as Waterloo since Stratford International won't be a terminus - it looks to me to be more along the lines of Lille International, with a concourse above the station. I presume all of this has been thought of though. Hasn't it ? http://www.futurestratford.com/ -- Paul Terry |
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In message , Zonky
writes Still, for an express long distance service, it does seem silly to add the short stop so close to the final destination.... In addition to all the tube (and DLR) links mentioned, an international station at Stratford means that Eurostar passengers to/from many parts of Essex and East Anglia do not have to go to central London to change. When Crossrail is built, it will mean that Eurostar passengers to/from the west of London won't need to change in central London. And if the proposed plan to run Eurostar services on the west coast mainline materialises, Stratford will be the only London stop. -- Paul Terry |
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On 16 Sep 2003 15:37:09 -0700 in uk.transport.london, (Paul
Weaver) tapped out on the keyboard: [snipped] But you would guess that a eurostar would stop paris, lille, ashford, london. The two main cities and the two sides of the tunnel. Who wants to go to stratford anyway? Shakespeare fans who are in for a disappointment ? -- John Youles Norwich England UK j dot y.o.u.l.e.s at n.t.l.w.o.r.l.d dot c.o.m |
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Paul Terry wrote in message ...
Italian rail prices are indeed excellent, but even at 10p a mile London to Rome would be much more than I normally pay for a flight! True, but planes still take a long time. Hour from center of london to luton/stanstead, 2 hours at the airport, 2 hours on the plane (maybe longon), another 30 minutes waiting for luggage, another hour waiting for the bus and transfer to the center of rome. Already over 6 hours, and you dont get enough time to sleep. A nice relaxed train ride gives you room to stretch your legs, face to face meeting, mobile phone, laptop (with power), a good nights sleep etc. Leave London at 4PM, arrive in Milan at 10AM the next morning haveing had a relaxing evening and a good sleep. Compare to flight - get up at 3AM, get to airport by 4, flight leaves at 6 (UK), land at 9(CET), into middle of milan by 10 at the earliest. Cheapest route to greece for me, last month, was rough it in stanstead overnight, easyjet to rome, day in rome, overnight to brindisi, ferry to igominitza. £100 one way, but beat £250 to athens and an 8 hour bus ride. |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Malthouse
wrote: Not quite the point. A stratford stop *adds* direct access to the other lines. How direct? You will still need to put your ticket in/near gate to get to/from the Jubilee line. |
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In message , Paul
Weaver writes True, but planes still take a long time. Hour from center of london to luton/stanstead, 2 hours at the airport, 2 hours on the plane (maybe longon), another 30 minutes waiting for luggage, another hour waiting for the bus and transfer to the center of rome. Already over 6 hours, and you dont get enough time to sleep. A nice relaxed train ride gives you room to stretch your legs, face to face meeting, mobile phone, laptop (with power), a good nights sleep etc. Leave London at 4PM, arrive in Milan at 10AM the next morning haveing had a relaxing evening and a good sleep. Compare to flight - get up at 3AM, get to airport by 4, flight leaves at 6 (UK), land at 9(CET), into middle of milan by 10 at the earliest. Yes, but the cheapest practical rail fares from London to Milan (2nd class leisure return) are either 217 GBP (for a shared 2-berth sleeping compartment) or 153 GBP for a place in a basic 6-berth couchette. For that price I could fly British Airways from Heathrow on the 17:50 to Milan (64 GBP return APEX) and have enough left over for a really decent hotel in Milan rather than sleeping on a train or getting up at 3AM. And the budget airlines are even cheaper (Ryanair is currently offering some return flights to Milan for 2p plus taxes!). -- Paul Terry |
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Matthew Malthouse wrote in message ...
Just how far could one travel in the UK with a standard second class open return costing fifty quid? A saver return (all trains except peak ones, 30 day time limit) London to Manchester, about 200 miles, is around that price |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:21:15 +0100 K wrote:
} On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Malthouse } wrote: } } } } Not quite the point. A stratford stop *adds* direct access to the other } lines. } } How direct? You will still need to put your ticket in/near gate to } get to/from the Jubilee line. Indeed. But that's not something you could do at StP. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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Matthew Malthouse wrote:
There is also an extention to the DLR that will provide dual platforms at the extsiting Stratford and a new terminus at the International station. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen...d/stations.htm Matthew Looking at the maps, would option 2 (which seems like a wholly new DLR route to Stratford) mean abandonment of the current DLR line to Stratford, or would there then be 2 ways to get there via different routes? I'm not from the area but thats how the map reads to me. Option 1 looks like an extension to the current layout. Steve |
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K wrote the following in:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Malthouse wrote: Not quite the point. A stratford stop *adds* direct access to the other lines. How direct? You will still need to put your ticket in/near gate to get to/from the Jubilee line. So? I'm sorry, but I really don't see how that matters. You still get much more direct access to the Jubilee line. -- message by Robin May, consumer of liquids If bathroom means toilet in America, I'll have a shower please. Hacker is to computer as boy racer is to Ford Escort. |
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"K" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:32:56 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Malthouse wrote: Not quite the point. A stratford stop *adds* direct access to the other lines. How direct? You will still need to put your ticket in/near gate to get to/from the Jubilee line. So? You will also have to put your ticket in a gate to get to the tube from St Pancras. Peter Smyth |
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In addition to all the tube (and DLR) links mentioned, an international
station at Stratford means that Eurostar passengers to/from many parts of Essex and East Anglia do not have to go to central London to change. When Crossrail is built, it will mean that Eurostar passengers to/from the west of London won't need to change in central London. And if the proposed plan to run Eurostar services on the west coast mainline materialises, Stratford will be the only London stop. It'll be the new Clapham Junction. Peter |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:16:34 +0100 Steve M wrote:
} Matthew Malthouse wrote: } } } } There is also an extention to the DLR that will provide dual platforms } at the extsiting Stratford and a new terminus at the International } station. } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen...d/stations.htm } } Matthew } } Looking at the maps, would option 2 (which seems like a wholly new DLR } route to Stratford) mean abandonment of the current DLR line to } Stratford, or would there then be 2 ways to get there via different } routes? I'm not from the area but thats how the map reads to me. Option } 1 looks like an extension to the current layout. It's all rather lacking in detail but it seems that the prefered option 2 would use the North London Line corridor from Custom House to Stratford as DLR thsu providing a direct link between Startfor International and London City Airport. Nothing on the site suggests the abandonment of the Stratford to Poplar branch and indeed that would seem foolish as it's a direct link to Canary Wharf and very busy mcuh of the time. However foolish transport decsisions are not entirely unknown. What happens to the North London Line as a concequence of building DLR option 2 is not stated. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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"AstraVanMan" wrote in message
... In addition to all the tube (and DLR) links mentioned, an international station at Stratford means that Eurostar passengers to/from many parts of Essex and East Anglia do not have to go to central London to change. When Crossrail is built, it will mean that Eurostar passengers to/from the west of London won't need to change in central London. And if the proposed plan to run Eurostar services on the west coast mainline materialises, Stratford will be the only London stop. It'll be the new Clapham Junction. Indeed. Willesden Junction could be turned into one too: build new platforms on the main WCML lines and maybe even the GWML (as it passes so close). With Crossrail 1 passing through, as well as all the GWML and WCML traffic, and the Bakerloo and North London Lines (Orbirail by then?), you'd have a decent hub for West London with connections to Gatwick (South Central), Heathrow (Crossrail), the west (GWML), the north and midlands (WCML), and lots of London. If NoL Eurostar services ever start, this would be an ideal additional or alternative stop to Stratford. And a useful place to start the HSL to the north. With the ELL (and hence the creation of a true Orbirail service), and the addition of Met and Chiltern platforms turning West Hampstead into more of a hub, you'd have a decent inner-London hub network linked by the Orbirail network and tube/Crossrail/Thameslink connections into the centre. Or maybe I'm just dreaming... :-) Angus |
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"Matthew Malthouse" wrote in message
.. . } There is also an extention to the DLR that will provide dual platforms } at the extsiting Stratford and a new terminus at the International } station. } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen...d/stations.htm } } Looking at the maps, would option 2 (which seems like a wholly new DLR } route to Stratford) mean abandonment of the current DLR line to } Stratford, or would there then be 2 ways to get there via different } routes? I'm not from the area but thats how the map reads to me. Option } 1 looks like an extension to the current layout. It's all rather lacking in detail but it seems that the prefered option 2 would use the North London Line corridor from Custom House to Stratford as DLR thsu providing a direct link between Startfor International and London City Airport. Nothing on the site suggests the abandonment of the Stratford to Poplar branch and indeed that would seem foolish as it's a direct link to Canary Wharf and very busy mcuh of the time. However foolish transport decsisions are not entirely unknown. What happens to the North London Line as a concequence of building DLR option 2 is not stated. I thought the intention (if you look at the DLR Stratford extension maps closely - see the orange (?) route) is to divert the NLL services into Stratford main station and up the Lea Valley. Angus |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:38:12 +0100 Angus Bryant wrote:
} "Matthew Malthouse" wrote in message } .. . } } } There is also an extention to the DLR that will provide dual } platforms } } at the extsiting Stratford and a new terminus at the International } } station. } } } } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen...d/stations.htm } } } } Looking at the maps, would option 2 (which seems like a wholly new DLR } } route to Stratford) mean abandonment of the current DLR line to } } Stratford, or would there then be 2 ways to get there via different } } routes? I'm not from the area but thats how the map reads to me. Option } } 1 looks like an extension to the current layout. } } It's all rather lacking in detail but it seems that the prefered option } 2 would use the North London Line corridor from Custom House to } Stratford as DLR thsu providing a direct link between Startfor } International and London City Airport. } } Nothing on the site suggests the abandonment of the Stratford to Poplar } branch and indeed that would seem foolish as it's a direct link to } Canary Wharf and very busy mcuh of the time. However foolish transport } decsisions are not entirely unknown. } } What happens to the North London Line as a concequence of building DLR } option 2 is not stated. } } I thought the intention (if you look at the DLR Stratford extension maps } closely - see the orange (?) route) is to divert the NLL services into } Stratford main station and up the Lea Valley. I've not found a map that admits to that close an inspection. Can you point me in the right direction? Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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Matthew Malthouse wrote:
} It's all rather lacking in detail but it seems that the prefered option } 2 would use the North London Line corridor from Custom House to } Stratford as DLR thsu providing a direct link between Startfor } International and London City Airport. } } Nothing on the site suggests the abandonment of the Stratford to Poplar } branch and indeed that would seem foolish as it's a direct link to } Canary Wharf and very busy mcuh of the time. However foolish transport } decsisions are not entirely unknown. } } What happens to the North London Line as a concequence of building DLR } option 2 is not stated. } } I thought the intention (if you look at the DLR Stratford extension maps } closely - see the orange (?) route) is to divert the NLL services into } Stratford main station and up the Lea Valley. I've not found a map that admits to that close an inspection. Can you point me in the right direction? Have a look at the three photographic maps down at the bottom of the page below. The lines are in blue, not orange - sorry for the confusion! http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen..._appraisal.htm Angus |
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"AstraVanMan" wrote in message ... In addition to all the tube (and DLR) links mentioned, an international station at Stratford means that Eurostar passengers to/from many parts of Essex and East Anglia do not have to go to central London to change. When Crossrail is built, it will mean that Eurostar passengers to/from the west of London won't need to change in central London. And if the proposed plan to run Eurostar services on the west coast mainline materialises, Stratford will be the only London stop. It'll be the new Clapham Junction. So what will they do with the old one? |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:33:16 +0100 Angus Bryant wrote:
} Matthew Malthouse wrote: } } } I thought the intention (if you look at the DLR Stratford extension maps } } closely - see the orange (?) route) is to divert the NLL services into } } Stratford main station and up the Lea Valley. } } I've not found a map that admits to that close an inspection. Can you } point me in the right direction? } } Have a look at the three photographic maps down at the bottom of the } page below. The lines are in blue, not orange - sorry for the } confusion! } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen..._appraisal.htm Aha. I see what you mean. I can't find any documentation reflecting this change though. Searches of tfl and tfl/rail for "North London Line" produce nothing of relevance. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
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Matthew Malthouse wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:33:16 +0100 Angus Bryant wrote: } Matthew Malthouse wrote: } } } I thought the intention (if you look at the DLR Stratford extension maps } } closely - see the orange (?) route) is to divert the NLL services into } } Stratford main station and up the Lea Valley. } } I've not found a map that admits to that close an inspection. Can you } point me in the right direction? } } Have a look at the three photographic maps down at the bottom of the } page below. The lines are in blue, not orange - sorry for the } confusion! } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen..._appraisal.htm Aha. I see what you mean. I can't find any documentation reflecting this change though. Searches of tfl and tfl/rail for "North London Line" produce nothing of relevance. Indeed. But it seems the most logical thing to do if the Stratford - North Woolwich line is taken over by DLR. See also John Rowland's excellent site: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro..._e.html#DLRNLL Also I wonder if Stansted Express will switch to runing via Stratford? Stopping here either instead of or in addition to Tottenham Hale may be useful. WA should be part of Greater Anglia by then anyway, so it may not matter that it'd be running to Liverpool Street on the Stratford lines rather than the Hackney ones. Angus |
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Matthew Malthouse wrote in message ...
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:30 -0000 Zonky wrote: } Sorry, but what's the point of it? Turning an express train into a slow } stopper for the last couple of miles? The main point is that it will be 10 mins walk from my front door; couldn't have let 'em do it otherwise. Seriously, Stratford is already an interchange for Mainline, DLR, Jubilee and Central services. With the DLR it will have a link to City Airport. It will make passenger access significantly easier for a great many people. Additionally it has freight links with Harwich and Felixtowe. I don;t know how much freight was a consideration byt it seems reasonable to suspect that it played a part. Matthew I don't think freight had much to do with the choice to add a Stratford station. If Quail is to be believed there will be no routes off the CTRL from the South at Stratford. The only routes off the up CTRL north of the Thames are at Dagenham, into Ripple Lane Yard and the Ford plant; into St. Pancras station; and onto the WCML via Primrose Hill. There is a a route off the Down CTRL at Stratford into Temple Mills Yard. I suspect that the main reasons that the station exists were as a stop for domestic trains on the CTRL, and to provide a London stop for NOL Eurostars off the WCML that does not require a St. pancras reversal. Additionally, even though the interchange to other railways at Strtford is terrible, Stratford is probably still more convenient to the Docklands, and (more generally) to most points East of the the City. If Crossrail is ever built, it will probably be more convenient for many passengers from West fo town too. [Although this is probably less true for the current proposed Crossrail routes than was true for those current when the CTRL was being planned.] It also looks as if trains can be reversed at Stratford, so it would provide an alternate terminus in the even tthat St. Pancras was unusable. I have a few CTRL questions. Will St. Pancras Eurostars still use the North Pole depot? If so, are there plans to add a route out of the depot onto the Northbound WLL? If not, then what facility will be used? What is the connection into Temple Mills Yard for? To what extent will a failure to complete TL2K before CTRL Phase 2 is doen cause operational problems in the redeveloped St. Pancras, wheer there will only be four platforms available the MML? [I suppose the 3 domestic CTRL platforms might also be available, but access to them from the MML crosses the entire throat of the station on the flat, so there is a limit to their usefulness]. |
Stratford Eurostar station.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:24:03 +0100 Angus Bryant wrote:
} Matthew Malthouse wrote: } } } http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/developmen..._appraisal.htm } } Aha. I see what you mean. I can't find any documentation reflecting } this change though. Searches of tfl and tfl/rail for "North London } Line" produce nothing of relevance. } } Indeed. But it seems the most logical thing to do if the Stratford - } North Woolwich line is taken over by DLR. See also John Rowland's } excellent site: } } http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro..._e.html#DLRNLL Good stuff. The way that the tracks parallel each other it is very easy to imagine the Jubilee taking over NLL services north of Stratford which would give the line a marvelous loop right acoss the tube map. I think I remember being told that this wasn't possible because it would mean tube and main line stock sharing track which is a health and safety no-no. Shame, it'd have been fun. } Also I wonder if Stansted Express will switch to runing via Stratford? } Stopping here either instead of or in addition to Tottenham Hale may be } useful. WA should be part of Greater Anglia by then anyway, so it may } not matter that it'd be running to Liverpool Street on the Stratford } lines rather than the Hackney ones. That would be nice too. Getting to Stanstead for the earlier (and usually cheaper) flights is a right pain even living in a relatively convenient area for Liverpool Street or Tottenham. Matthew -- Záhid sharáb píné dé, masjid mein baith kar ya woh jagah batá dé jahán Khudá na ho. http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/ |
Stratford Eurostar station.
"William E. Aitken" wrote in message om... I have a few CTRL questions. Will St. Pancras Eurostars still use the North Pole depot? If so, are there plans to add a route out of the depot onto the Northbound WLL? If not, then what facility will be used? What is the connection into Temple Mills Yard for? ISTR that the original intention was to use North Pole to start off with until a new depot was built at Temple Mills, hence the connection being built now. I think (?) the Temple Mills depot had something to do with maintenance of the domestic CTRL services too. As to whether this will ever happen, I don't know. Angus |
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