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Letters addressed to:
Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London Borough of Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Nevernever Land, IG1 1DD As will 128, IG1 1DD I've never ever include ranges of numbers in the address, and cannot conceive of any logic (except vanity) for their inclusion. -- Andrew http://www.wordskit.com/ http://www.flayme.com/ "If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein |
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"John Salmon" wrote:
As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. IL had probably been stolen by somewhere else. There's a few weirdities around in postcodes. Bristol is BS, which I always felt was a tad unfair. |
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Roland Perry wrote:
Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London Borough of Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Nevernever Land, IG1 1DD ...will all get to the same place. In Essex :) Do I live in Essex? I'm just down the road from Ilford. |
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Andrew Heenan wrote:
I know nothing (and could care less) about governmental 'requirements' - whether they 'required it' or not, it has been superfluous since the seventies. I suspect the 1996 change merely codified the day to day reality of the previous thirty-odd years. I believe it was more down to database changes. The county, whilst not essential, is useful for decoding addresses mangled by handwriting. Also 128, IG1 1DD style addresses are vulnerable to people getting the post code wrong. I've known of several businesses who only discovered the post code they'd given out for decades is wrong when they tried to generate directions on multimap. |
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John Rowland wrote:
Not all of Middlesex - Spelthorne was put into Surrey and the postal counties never updated to that. But I agree it only adds to confusion. And the Potters Bar part of Middlesex was given to Hertfordshire (which meant that the boundary between Barnet and Potters Bar went from having Hertfordshire on the south side only to having Hertfordshire on the north side only). However this one did have the addess updated, one of the few of the Greater London changes that was followed. |
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London Borough of Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Nevernever Land, IG1 1DD ...will all get to the same place. In Essex :) Do I live in Essex? I'm just down the road from Ilford. Are your stilettos white? |
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John Rowland wrote:
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Andrew Heenan wrote: And I fail to see how it helps anybody else, especially in and around London, when several Essex, Kent and Surrey addresses (not to mention 100% of Middlesex), are actually part of Greater London. Not all of Middlesex - Spelthorne was put into Surrey and the postal counties never updated to that. But I agree it only adds to confusion. And the Potters Bar part of Middlesex was given to Hertfordshire (which meant that the boundary between Barnet and Potters Bar went from having Hertfordshire on the south side only to having Hertfordshire on the north side only). I wonder if any "Welcome to Hertfordshire" signs were removed from their poles and refitted to the same poles facing the other way? |
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John Rowland wrote:
Do I live in Essex? I'm just down the road from Ilford. Are your stilettos white? I never wear such things! |
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In message , at 00:02:22 on Tue, 9
Dec 2008, Andrew Heenan remarked: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, IG1 1DD As will 128, IG1 1DD I've never ever include ranges of numbers in the address, and cannot conceive of any logic (except vanity) for their inclusion. It's mainly for the convenience of people walking down the road looking for No 144, and counting front doors. In some cases it'll be because a site spread from (say) No 132 in both directions, and people with the old address are helped by the new front door saying more than just "No 128". -- Roland Perry |
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In article ,
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: John Rowland wrote: Do I live in Essex? I'm just down the road from Ilford. Are your stilettos white? I never wear such things! Don't blame you. The bloody things are crippling! |
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Roland Perry wrote:
I've never ever include ranges of numbers in the address, and cannot conceive of any logic (except vanity) for their inclusion. It's mainly for the convenience of people walking down the road looking for No 144, and counting front doors. In some cases it'll be because a site spread from (say) No 132 in both directions, and people with the old address are helped by the new front door saying more than just "No 128". It's also handy because sometimes overlapping sites try to maintain the separate numbers as different addresses for different departments. This invariably doesn't work and a range address can make it clear the place hasn't moved. |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:31:43 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Andrew Heenan remarked: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Outer Mongolia, IG1 1DD Neither of them are correct. Both of them would get delivered correctly. One has additions which are helpful (to the public if not the Post Office's automatic sorting machine), the other is comedy. Incorrect, actually. Since the day that Tony Benn introduced postcodes, adding the 'county' has been a waste of ink. It's utterly redundant to the sorting process and the postman on his round. So what you meant to write was "Correct, actually". The additions of either Essex or Outer Mongolia not helping the Post office's automatic sorting machine. But for people who live the other end of the country, and haven't the faintest idea what "IG" stands for, adding "Essex" is quite helpful, and adding "Outer Mongolia" is puerile comedy. As i pointed out, it could also be very unhelpful. At least with Outer Mongolia, you know it's wrong, and will have to look it up, but with Essex, you might be fooled into thinking it really is in Essex, and start tootling off town the A134 in largely the wrong direction. But okay, let's rule out Outer Mongolia as silly. I'm happy to do that. Presumably, you would then accept, on the grounds of helpfulness you've outlined, that writing "London" would be better than "Essex"? tom -- The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Andrew Heenan wrote:
Letters addressed to: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Redbridge, London, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, London Borough of Redbridge, IG1 1DD Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Nevernever Land, IG1 1DD As will 128, IG1 1DD I've never ever include ranges of numbers in the address, and cannot conceive of any logic (except vanity) for their inclusion. The council thinks my house, which is number 50, is number 48/50. Presumably, if they didn't use ranges, they'd address my post to 48. At least with the range i stand a fighting chance of getting my council tax bill! tom -- The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein |
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In message , John Salmon
writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I always understood it was linked to Ingatestone as being in the middle (roughly) of the area. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:29:59 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tom Anderson remarked: I don't know if you remember, but we were talking about Crossrail, and connecting with it I thought we were talking about the likelihood that a person from Southend would travel to London via Shenfield (rather than to Fenchurch Street), if the line became Crossrail and all the trains became all-stations stoppers. I trace the genealogy of this subthread back to this post by Mr Thant: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....b0af8b19dab5cb Via the following chain of replies: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....5d269add451629 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....57ecfb3007e146 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....efee24afe9270a http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....efb7791e178f85 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....c93a777e2eb7aa http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....6937b72ddbad7e http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....cb4cb407687f05 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....677b0ea2bc0926 And my reading of that thread is we were discussing the relative merits of Shenfield and Stratford as termini for Crossrail by considering how quickly people from Essex could get there. What's relevant to that is the speed with which they can get from Shenfield to Stratford on their own trains. The speed of getting from the start to Shenfield doesn't really come into Shenfield vs Stratford. If we were talking more generally, then you'd be absolutely right that a service from Southend calling all stops to Shenfield wouldn't be fast in an absolutely sense. tom -- The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, John Rowland wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 16:03:04 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tom Anderson remarked: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 1DD It would be equally correct to write: Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Outer Mongolia, IG1 1DD No, because it makes no sense. Neither of them are correct. Both of them would get delivered correctly. Although the latter would take a few weeks longer. Actually, since the Mongol empire's postal system was bought out by Deutsche Post, all its mail gets routed via a warehouse in Rotterdam anyway, so it probably won't make much difference. tom -- The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein |
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On Dec 9, 3:30*pm, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , John Salmon writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. *I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I always understood it was linked to Ingatestone as being in the middle (roughly) of the area. Surely Ingatestone postcodes are CM and are separated from IG by RM in between? |
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In message , at
15:14:01 on Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Tom Anderson remarked: Presumably, you would then accept, on the grounds of helpfulness you've outlined, that writing "London" would be better than "Essex"? No, because I probably already know it's inside the M25, but telling me it's Essex narrows it down to a small segment of the conurbation (roughly, between the river and the M11). -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:30:29 on Tue, 9
Dec 2008, Steve Fitzgerald ] remarked: IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I always understood it was linked to Ingatestone as being in the middle (roughly) of the area. Huh? Ingatestone in firmly inside the "CM" postcode, as is Brentwood. -- Roland Perry |
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Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , John Salmon writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I always understood it was linked to Ingatestone as being in the middle (roughly) of the area. Ingatestone is in the CM area, and the RM area is (mostly) between CM and IG. I've always thought IG meant "Ilford and barkinG". I have no evidence for that. |
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MIG wrote:
On Dec 9, 3:30 pm, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote: In message , John Salmon writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I always understood it was linked to Ingatestone as being in the middle (roughly) of the area. Surely Ingatestone postcodes are CM and are separated from IG by RM in between? Yeah, Ingatestone can't have an IG postcode, it's in Essex! |
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In message , John Salmon
writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I suspect that IG reflects the names of the first two post towns within the postcode - Ilford (IG1 to IG6) and Chigwell (IG7). Much the same happens with SM, where the first two post towns within the postcode are Sutton (SM1 to SM3) and Morden (SM4). Presumably IL was avoided because OCR equipment couldn't be relied upon to read the letters accurately, especially when hand written. -- Paul Terry |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:13:52 -0800 (PST), MIG
wrote: On Dec 8, 10:31*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll- wrote: MIG wrote: Maybe it's one of those self-definition things that they have on equal opportunities questionnaires. *People in Ilford feel themselves to be Essex people and face the same prejudices and barriers in life as Essex people. *Or something like that. A sweeping statement - have you told that to the people lobbying for the postcode to be changed to E20 so that businesses there don't appear to be outside London? Nah, that's Walford. I was parodying a "self-definition" idea that I don't go along with. Most distinctions between people aren't worth making. Knowing who runs the local government might be worth noting. Therefore Ilford is in London and that's the end of it. It's in both London and Essex. |
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In message , John Salmon
writes As a matter of interest, where did 'IG' come from? In my view, its derivation is the least obvious of all the postcodes. I can work out all the other slightly obscure ones e.g. SP=Salisbury Plain, DG=Dumfries & Galloway etc., but the only suggestion I've ever heard for IG is Ilford & Gants Hill, which seems unlikely. I suspect that IG reflects the names of the first two post towns within the postcode - Ilford (IG1 to IG6) and Chigwell (IG7). Much the same happens with SM, where the first two post towns within the postcode are Sutton (SM1 to SM3) and Morden (SM4). Presumably IL was avoided because OCR equipment couldn't be relied upon to read the letters accurately, especially when hand written. Many of the 2-letter codes were in use before postcodes for labelling mailbags, and generally these were reused for postcodes, probably because the sorting office staff knew them by heart. As a student in the 60s I worked on the Christmas post in Edinburgh, and the incoming bags were marked EH. Outgoing codes that I remember include AB, IV and DD, but I think Glasgow was GW although it became just G for postcodes. I think postcodes were introduced long before anyone had any idea of OCRing them. For a time, at the primary sort a series of blue fluorescent dots were printed on the envelope and latterly dot-matrix barcodes. Both of these were done by real people eyeballing the printed or written postcodes, though OCR is certainly used now. Peter -- Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com |
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In article , Peter Masson
writes The earlier plan was for dual voltage trains, to extend on the third rail beyond Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet. But since that was dropped Crossrail will be 25 kV OHLE only. Nevertheless, a source tells me the trains will be dual-voltage because it's cheap to add and it provides for a common design with other uses. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Dec 10, 3:44*am, "Clive D. W. Feather" cl...@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk wrote: In article , Peter Masson writes The earlier plan was for dual voltage trains, to extend on the third rail beyond Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet. But since that was dropped Crossrail will be 25 kV OHLE only. Nevertheless, a source tells me the trains will be dual-voltage because it's cheap to add and it provides for a common design with other uses. Thanks for posting Clive. That is very interesting information. Do we know what the "fixed" formations will be? Adrian |
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On 10 Dec, 15:39, 1506 wrote:
Thanks for posting Clive. *That is very interesting information. *Do we know what the "fixed" formations will be? 10 car peak, 5 car off-peak. When they rebuild the stations on the GWML the fast line platforms (for use during engineering work) have been designed for 5 car trains only (and there are a few other examples like this), so I don't think they can have fixed formation 10 car units. U |
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