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In message , at 17:15:13 on
Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Batman55 remarked:
Ticket checking staff
may withdraw any pass which appears to be invalid." but I think "Clive"
would be hard put to justify his actions on these grounds.

It would seem to have been invalid *for that trip*, but they don't mean
that I'm sure. They would be talking about complete invalidity. Perhaps
Clive was confused.
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Roland Perry

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On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:15:13 -0000, "Batman55"
wrote:

. I was surprised at how little the ticket price differed from my
wife's but, as we were going to Sheffield, it was never going to be very
much, so I didn't go back and query it.

BZ6 to Sheffield? I didn't know such a thing existed - it was only
the NSE area.

You sure it wasn't a station in zone 6 to Sheffield ticket, which is
a very different thing in terms of validity?

Neil

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pedan3 wrote

He proceeded to recite to me, word for word, the standard police
caution for arrestable offences. I opinted out that he was not a
police officer. He said he never claimed to be.

It's the PACE required warning now I think and anyone who is employed
to investigate crime has to give it (below) whatever the offense if the
statement might be used in court. So not just police but also Customs,
Revenue and VAT, vehicle examiners, BT, Post Office, Gas, Electricity
investigators, RSPCA, NSPCC and probably Jockey Club and Greyhound
Racing Assn.

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Mike D

You do not have to say anything, But it may harm your defence if you
do not mention *WHEN QUESTIONED* something you later rely on in court.
Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:15:13 -0000, "Batman55"
wrote:

. I was surprised at how little the ticket price differed from my
wife's but, as we were going to Sheffield, it was never going to be very
much, so I didn't go back and query it.

BZ6 to Sheffield? I didn't know such a thing existed - it was only
the NSE area.

You sure it wasn't a station in zone 6 to Sheffield ticket, which is
a very different thing in terms of validity?

Neil

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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

A few weeks earlier I had travelled from Bromley South to Henley, and used
my Freedom Pass up to London and then from Paddington to West Drayton, hence
paying only from there to Henley and back. Going to Sheffield, I had
expected to get "free" travel as far as Elstree, but presumably what I got
was a St.P/Sheffield return.

MaxB

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Many thanks for your and everybody's help. Other than the freedom
pass helpline which you have already mentioned, would you or anybody
else be able to suggest the best person or office to "kick up a hell
of a fuss", as you suggest, to? Letters are written; merely where to
send them.

Thank you



On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:16:24 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote:

In message , pedan3
writes

He asked to see my tickets. I showed him, both outward and return
halves. He asked to see my Freedom Pass. Foolishly, I passed it to
him. He then announced that he was retaining my freedom pass as
evidience in a prosecution for fraudulent travel.

Quite apart from the outrageously heavy-handed approach, I very much
doubt that taking your freedom pass was legal.

Unlike a paid-for ticket, it is not the property of the TOC - it is an
entitlement paid for by the borough in which you live and, physically,
it is the property of TfL, as it says on the pass.

Although you should have paid the penalty fare, I'd kick-up a hell of a
fuss about the way you were dealt with, and about the confiscation of
your freedom pass. The freedom pass helpline (020 7934 9633) may be able
to advise you on the legality of the inspector's action.

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In message , at 20:02:00 on
Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Corfield remarked:
Clearly your pass was not valid to use on EMT while when you travelled
to Reading on First Great Western it was valid in combination with an
extension.

To the OP: Did EMT at any time offer to show you a document that
explained (like the website you've been directed to) in simple terms
that the Freedom Pass wasn't valid? That might have defused the
situation, and avoided any further action other than you paying the
replacement fare. If not, you might want to mention that.
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Roland Perry