On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:34:58 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote:



Why dont we have the U.S. System where you get a referendum on taxes?

Why don't we have the US system where they subsidise their subway
systems so they are able to charge cheap fares?

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:35:03 +0000 (UTC), (david
stevenson) wrote:

Cheeky wrote:

Well ISTR a report in the Sunday press a while ago which noted that a
3mile rail tunnel is being built under Kiel for £400 million whilst a
5 mile tunnel in London is costed at £17 billion....

I'm sure that such a blind comparison is completely valid, oh yes. Why
not bring the Big Dig into it too?

Big Dig? Don't think we have them Oop North...
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:35:03 +0000 (UTC), (david
stevenson) wrote:

Cheeky wrote:

Well ISTR a report in the Sunday press a while ago which noted that
a 3mile rail tunnel is being built under Kiel for £400 million
whilst a 5 mile tunnel in London is costed at £17 billion....

I'm sure that such a blind comparison is completely valid, oh yes.
Why not bring the Big Dig into it too?

Big Dig? Don't think we have them Oop North...

They do oop north in the US, Boston to be precise

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:28:34 +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote:
I'll vote for you if beer taxes go towards building more pubs.

Actually beer taxes should go to funding police, street cleaners, and the
NHS Alcohol affects department

Why don't we have the US system where they subsidise their subway systems
so they are able to charge cheap fares?

Fine, let Londoners subsidise it. Why should the welsh?

In article , Paul Weaver wrote:
Why don't we have the US system where they subsidise their subway systems
so they are able to charge cheap fares?

Fine, let Londoners subsidise it. Why should the welsh?

Or extend one of the tube lines to Cardiff :-)

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:07:13 +0100, Colin wrote:
That was the first time around many years ago, where the project was killed
off by a committee of (mainly Tory) London MP's with a 'not in my back yard'
and anti-subsidy agenda.

Things have somewhat progressed since then.

What, you call people that live in Manchester or Wales subsidising the
transport needs of Londoners "progress". All government subsidy is the
most definitely anything but progress, but when you charge people that
have no benefit whatsoever, you become worse then Ken!

If taxpayers do have to subsidise it, it should come out the local taxes
of London business and commuters.

Quite right. And all the tax money I pay as a londoner should go only to london.
Wales and Manchester need regeneration money or money for new or metro lines?
Tough ****, get the money from your council tax. Oh but wait , didn't the money
for manchester metro link come partially from central government? How come
you're not complaining about that eh??

Anyone can play the "Only pay for stuff in my back yard" game and a 5 year old
can see the problems with it. Apparently you can't however so why don't you
switch your computer off and go back to your crayons.

B2003

On 26 Sep 2003 08:37:30 -0700, (Boltar) wrote:

Quite right. And all the tax money I pay as a londoner should go only to london.
Wales and Manchester need regeneration money or money for new or metro lines?
Tough ****, get the money from your council tax. Oh but wait , didn't the money
for manchester metro link come partially from central government? How come
you're not complaining about that eh??

The up-front money for Metrolink may indeed have done so - but
Metrolink will probably save the Government money in the long-term
because the heavy-rail lines it replaced would almost certainly have
required a subsidy, while Metrolink itself breaks even on normal
running costs.

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Quite right. And all the tax money I pay as a londoner should go only
to london. Wales and Manchester need regeneration money or money for
new or metro lines? Tough ****, get the money from your council tax. Oh
but wait , didn't the money for manchester metro link come partially
from central government? How come you're not complaining about that eh??

Anyone can play the "Only pay for stuff in my back yard" game and a 5
year old can see the problems with it. Apparently you can't however so
why don't you switch your computer off and go back to your crayons.
Have you not heard of the Barnet Formula? Where even we in darkest
Cumbria give so that Scotland and Wales are given 22% more from the
general purse that everybody else. I've got to live on Selafield's
doorstep ,I'll swap your house with mine any day, or is wingeing just
your habit.
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Clive wrote in message ...
Have you not heard of the Barnet Formula? Where even we in darkest
Cumbria give so that Scotland and Wales are given 22% more from the
general purse that everybody else. I've got to live on Selafield's
doorstep ,I'll swap your house with mine any day, or is wingeing just
your habit.

Since I don't have a house but a tiny flat then a swap would be fine by
me as I'm not the least bit concerned by nuclear power since I actually
have a clue about it (unlike the 99.9% of half wits who complain about it
but don't complain about the far higher level of radiation coming out of
the smoke from coal fired stations due to the natural radiocativity in
coal , but thats another story) so give me your address and I'll bring my
stuff up next week.

Btw , its spelt whinging".

B2003