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New LU toilet map
There is a new yellow poster and leaflet describing accessibility
facilities. I have a file of toilet locations and was interested in new information. The map is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/toilets-map.pdf which should be read in conjunction with http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...seful-informat ion.pdf and taken with a lot of salt. e.g. Colindale is falsely alleged to have customer toilets; those at Harrow & Wealdstone are not mentioned; those at Turnham Green (where the alleged accessible toilet does not exist and why would it at a station without step-free facilities) are permanently closed in response to vandalism. I have started communication with . Information here might save me visits to the following stations: Canning Town DFM - I suspect they refer to bus station facilities Fairlop FM Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, 3 DFM Hounslow Central FM Ickenham FM Leyton DFM Morden FM Roding Valley FM - implausible. Also quietly step-free! South Ruislip D Uxbridge ? - closed during station refurbishment on my last visit This is typical of the sort of information I have and want more of: Leytonstone Disabled absent; 05.30-21.00 Female Platform 3 (eastbound); Male Platform 2 (westbound) Richmond F1; M2; BDFM by gateline next to 6. 0.20; Radar exempts. My information is incomplete. e.g. When I spoke to the Station Supervisor at Turnham Green, I was told toilets at Stamford Brook shut at 19.00. Lack of a notice of that means I don't know about it. Today, I found something new in kind: Ealing Common FM 0.20 token from ticket office to use staff toilets; F on 1W; M on 2E Where the map refers to facilities which don't exist, I have followed up my email to TfL with information to the Station Supervisor. The one at Warwick Avenue photocopied my map and was very interested. The signs on the toilet doors, inside the gates, at Wood Lane were covered with white paper when I visited, yesterday. My RADAR key gave me access, which Westfield, who are snagging the station, did not intend I should have. My interest in out of station interchanges is closely related to my interest in toilets. I don't see that spending a penny during an underground journey should cost an extra fare. ;) -- Walter Briscoe |
New LU toilet map
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:22:19 +0000, Walter Briscoe
wrote: Canning Town DFM - I suspect they refer to bus station facilities Out of use last time I tried, seemed semi-permanent. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On 15 Jan, 06:26, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:22:19 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: Canning Town * * * * * * * * * *DFM - I suspect they refer to bus station facilities Out of use last time I tried, seemed semi-permanent. I'm not sure I'd be so certain about that - I've generally found that the toilets at TfL bus stations are indeed open when they're supposed to be open. And the ****oir at Vauxhall is always open, open to the elements that is! The proper toilets there are open during the daytime. http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-sin/2545116442/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/msnoir/2559897300/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/skuds/117369229/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/skuds/117369228/ |
New LU toilet map
They should put a load of these around like in Amsterdam - bloody excellent
after a day on the beer ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/herbivore/325323197/ |
New LU toilet map
On 15 Jan, 13:20, "Frank Incense" wrote: They should put a load of these around like in Amsterdam - bloody excellent after a day on the beer ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/herbivore/325323197/ But they already do! Well, in the City of Westminster at least - I think these generally only make an appearance at weekends in the evenings (or perhaps they also come out on weekday evenings - I haven't been paying attention!): http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidm69/200986865/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/simplebitsdan/170068752/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottrettberg/1596378/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/83930971/ There are also some more permanent installations that only open up in the evenings. This design has a kind of flip-out door that is opened up in the evenings: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rakkar/119005020/ One such facility, or rather convenience I should say, can be found on Adelaide Street - that's the mostly pedestrianised street behind St Martin-in-the-Fields and runs between Duncannon Street and William IV Street just north of Charing Cross station. This one meanwhile appears out of the ground! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwriccardi/1376971612/ I must say I haven't specifically noticed any of these. I think this one is at Cambridge Circus, in front of the Palace Theatre. I *think* the guy in front is actually raising it via remote control - there appears to be something in his hand. Now if someone were to figure out how the remote control system works, and even produce some such devices for sale to the masses... ;-) |
New LU toilet map
On 15 Jan, 14:02, Mizter T wrote:
On 15 Jan, 13:20, "Frank Incense" wrote: The urine is processed and turned into synthetic squid ink. |
New LU toilet map
On Jan 15, 2:02*pm, Mizter T wrote:
This one meanwhile appears out of the ground! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jwriccardi/1376971612/ I must say I haven't specifically noticed any of these. I think this one is at Cambridge Circus, in front of the Palace Theatre. I *think* the guy in front is actually raising it via remote control - there appears to be something in his hand. Now if someone were to figure out how the remote control system works, and even produce some such devices for sale to the masses... ;-) There's also one in Leicester Square. The reason they have someone raising an lowering it rather than doing the job from a central control is to stop the obvious idiots stand on top as it goes up or staying inside when it goes down. Neill |
New LU toilet map
"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message ... There is a new yellow poster and leaflet describing accessibility facilities. I have a file of toilet locations and was interested in new information. The map is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/toilets-map.pdf which should be read in conjunction with http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...seful-informat ion.pdf and taken with a lot of salt. e.g. Colindale is falsely alleged to have customer toilets; those at Harrow & Wealdstone are not mentioned; those at Turnham Green (where the alleged accessible toilet does not exist and why would it at a station without step-free facilities) are permanently closed in response to vandalism. I have started communication with . Information here might save me visits to the following stations: Canning Town DFM - I suspect they refer to bus station facilities Fairlop FM Heathrow Terminals 1, 2, 3 DFM Hounslow Central FM Ickenham FM Leyton DFM Morden FM Roding Valley FM - implausible. Also quietly step-free! South Ruislip D Uxbridge ? - closed during station refurbishment on my last visit This is typical of the sort of information I have and want more of: Leytonstone Disabled absent; 05.30-21.00 Female Platform 3 (eastbound); Male Platform 2 (westbound) Richmond F1; M2; BDFM by gateline next to 6. 0.20; Radar exempts. My information is incomplete. e.g. When I spoke to the Station Supervisor at Turnham Green, I was told toilets at Stamford Brook shut at 19.00. Lack of a notice of that means I don't know about it. Today, I found something new in kind: Ealing Common FM 0.20 token from ticket office to use staff toilets; F on 1W; M on 2E Where the map refers to facilities which don't exist, I have followed up my email to TfL with information to the Station Supervisor. The one at Warwick Avenue photocopied my map and was very interested. The signs on the toilet doors, inside the gates, at Wood Lane were covered with white paper when I visited, yesterday. My RADAR key gave me access, which Westfield, who are snagging the station, did not intend I should have. My interest in out of station interchanges is closely related to my interest in toilets. I don't see that spending a penny during an underground journey should cost an extra fare. ;) -- Walter Briscoe Whats FM stand for? |
New LU toilet map
On Jan 15, 6:26*am, (Neil Williams)
wrote: Canning Town * * * * * * * * * *DFM - I suspect they refer to bus station facilities Out of use last time I tried, seemed semi-permanent. No can at Canning Town ? -- Nick |
New LU toilet map
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:22:19 +0000, Walter Briscoe
wrote: There is a new yellow poster and leaflet describing accessibility facilities. I have a file of toilet locations and was interested in new information. The map is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/toilets-map.pdf which should be read in conjunction with http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...seful-informat ion.pdf and taken with a lot of salt. e.g. Colindale is falsely alleged to have customer toilets; those at Harrow & Wealdstone are not mentioned; those at Turnham Green (where the alleged accessible toilet does not exist and why would it at a station without step-free facilities) are permanently closed in response to vandalism. I have started communication with . Also Willesden Junction has toilets - FM on platforms 1/3; dunno anout D but station seems to be accessible. I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. -- Peter Lawrence |
New LU toilet map
Peter Lawrence wrote:
I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. They are on the overbridge - on the left after you have passed through the ticket barriers, i.e. heading towards platform 8. -- John Ray |
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In message , Peter Lawrence
writes I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. There are public toilet available behind the barriers open until 10pm daily (they were opened around 2 years ago). DFM. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
New LU toilet map
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:51:26 +0000, Paul G
wrote: In message , Peter Lawrence writes I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. There are public toilet available behind the barriers open until 10pm daily (they were opened around 2 years ago). DFM. Thankyou. On reflection it is probably three years since I was there! -- Peter Lawrence |
New LU toilet map
In message of Thu, 22 Jan
2009 18:06:50 in uk.transport.london, Peter Lawrence writes On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:51:26 +0000, Paul G wrote: In message , Peter Lawrence writes I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. There are public toilet available behind the barriers open until 10pm daily (they were opened around 2 years ago). DFM. Thankyou. On reflection it is probably three years since I was there! Thanks for the information on Barking. I was out in Metroland, yesterday. Uxbridge toilets are closed during refurbishment. Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. -- Walter Briscoe |
New LU toilet map
On 23 Jan, 07:06, Walter Briscoe wrote: (snip) I was out in Metroland, yesterday. Uxbridge toilets are closed during refurbishment. Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. There's a daft arrangement at South Harrow station (which is broadly speaking Metroland) - there's an LU public toilet within the station building but it's entered from outside i.e. from the street (actually next to the mini-bus station there). Entry requires a special token, which can be obtained from the ticket office for I think 20p. The problem being that the ticket office is one of those that is closed in the middle of the day - when I was there, despite the ticket office technically being closed an old boy had successfully coaxed whoever was in the office to make an exception and sell him and and his grandson tickets, so I quickly jumped in after they'd finished and extracted a token from them. But a rather less than ideal situation, it must be said. The token system presumably exists to stop people from trying to break into the token receptacle that's outside next to the toilet doors - if it was filled with money then it would obviously be a rather more attractive target. |
New LU toilet map
In message , Walter Briscoe
writes In message of Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:06:50 in uk.transport.london, Peter Lawrence writes On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:51:26 +0000, Paul G wrote: In message , Peter Lawrence writes I question the tolets at Barking - I recall that the only ones were in the burger bar and strictly for their customers only. There are public toilet available behind the barriers open until 10pm daily (they were opened around 2 years ago). DFM. Thankyou. On reflection it is probably three years since I was there! Thanks for the information on Barking. I was out in Metroland, yesterday. Uxbridge toilets are closed during refurbishment. Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. That seems to happen at Perivale. On the other hand, at Harrow on the Hill and Alperton I've found very helpful staff, even when loos were closed. In fact, those two places stick in my mind as where I've received "service with a smile" from LU staff. Oh add West Ruislip to that, too. And North Ealing. At various times over the years staff have opened toilets there just for me/us. The one at North Ealing actually let me into the ladies' loo, once! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
New LU toilet map
Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Walter Briscoe writes Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. That seems to happen at Perivale. On the other hand, at Harrow on the Hill and Alperton I've found very helpful staff, even when loos were closed. In fact, those two places stick in my mind as where I've received "service with a smile" from LU staff. Oh add West Ruislip to that, too. And North Ealing. At various times over the years staff have opened toilets there just for me/us. The one at North Ealing actually let me into the ladies' loo, once! The toilets at Bank are closed at weekends. And they're run by the council so TfL staff can't even open them for you. |
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In message , solar penguin
writes Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Walter Briscoe writes Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. That seems to happen at Perivale. On the other hand, at Harrow on the Hill and Alperton I've found very helpful staff, even when loos were closed. In fact, those two places stick in my mind as where I've received "service with a smile" from LU staff. Oh add West Ruislip to that, too. And North Ealing. At various times over the years staff have opened toilets there just for me/us. The one at North Ealing actually let me into the ladies' loo, once! The toilets at Bank are closed at weekends. And they're run by the council so TfL staff can't even open them for you. Interestingly, that wasn't always the case. I clearly remember taking a group there to use them one Sunday, although this could have been up to 5 years ago. Usually in The City, things move in the other direction these days, with a trend towards more being open on Sundays than away from it. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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In message of Sat, 24 Jan 2009
23:06:49 in uk.transport.london, solar penguin writes Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Walter Briscoe writes Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. That seems to happen at Perivale. On the other hand, at Harrow on the Hill and Alperton I've found very helpful staff, even when loos were closed. In fact, those two places stick in my mind as where I've received "service with a smile" from LU staff. Oh add West Ruislip to that, too. And North Ealing. At various times over the years staff have opened toilets there just for me/us. The one at North Ealing actually let me into the ladies' loo, once! The toilets at Bank are closed at weekends. And they're run by the council so TfL staff can't even open them for you. The City of London is unlikely to be impressed by being described as "the council". My record says "outside gateline, by exit 3, 08.00-18.15 M-F, 10.00-16.00 S&S". The map marks Bank with a dagger symbol for which the key says: "Toilet not managed by London Underground. You may be charged for using the facilities. Ask staff for information." The toilets at Bank are free. It did - I can't say it does - have the problem that the opening hours are only shown when open. Westminster's Piccadilly Circus facilities have the same problem. The Monument facilities - underground at the bottom of Gracechurch Street - are not and should be daggered as the City runs them, too. I did not flag such problems with the map in my email of 12 January for which I am bursting for a reply. ;) Alternatives include Wetherspoon's The Green Man, No. 1 Poultry which is open Mon–Fri 7.30am–midnight; Sat/Sun closed and Liverpool Street "D with RADAR in mainline station next to platform 10; FM downstairs opposite platform 10 0.30. FM McDonalds on left outside station after going up escalator opposite platform 3." I am conscious that my information is biased and incomplete. e.g. I do not know when toilets are open at Liverpool Street. It has never been an issue for me. I recommend a RADAR key for anyone p***ing (travelling) around London. They can be bought by anyone and VAT free by anyone with a disability for Customs purposes - wider than the Freedom Pass criteria. I bought mine from http://www.radar.org.uk/radarwebsite/tabid/41/default.aspx. I paid 3.50 + VAT as I did not realise my disability allowed exemption. I would not recommend the toilet location book at a tenner as its addresses do not include post codes. Service is slow. It is possible to buy cheaper at EBay, etc. but why bother for such a small sum which, I trust, contributes to extending the scheme. Can I try the group with a supplementary question? I chased TfL when I found that some of its accessible toilets had locks which are not RADAR-enabled. I was told they would be corrected before 2009. Affected stations: Harrow & Wealdstone in ticket hall on right; no RADAR; next to platform 1 northbound. Hounslow East inside gateline on right, no RADAR or generic access Kilburn D platform 2 southbound no RADAR; FM on right in ticket hall 0.20 slot access Pinner No RADAR; all on platform 2 southbound Stratford BDFM by escalator next to LO platform 2 - no RADAR; D with RADAR by escalator next to LO platform 1 and Willesden Green Before gateline in ticket hall no RADAR My information on Stratford is obsolete since LO platforms moved. The question is: are all the wheelchair-accessible toilets at those stations freely accessible or accessible with a RADAR key? A bonus will point out the toilets are in places which are not, themselves, wheelchair accessible. -- Walter Briscoe |
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Walter Briscoe wrote: The City of London is unlikely to be impressed by being described as "the council". My record says "outside gateline, by exit 3, 08.00-18.15 M-F, 10.00-16.00 S&S". Ok. Thanks. I've only ever tried to use them before 10am on weekends, and didn't know they opened later. |
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On 25 Jan, 10:12, Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:06:49 in uk.transport.london, solar penguin writes Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Walter Briscoe writes Ickenham FM toilets are locked 247 outside the gateline, but available on customer request. Some parts of the network seem to think vandalism/anti-social behaviour is a reason for permanent service closure. That seems to happen at Perivale. On the other hand, at Harrow on the Hill and Alperton I've found very helpful staff, even when loos were closed. * In fact, those two places stick in my mind as where I've received "service with a smile" from LU staff. Oh add West Ruislip to that, too. * And North Ealing. * At various times over the years staff have opened toilets there just for me/us. The one at North Ealing actually let me into the ladies' loo, once! The toilets at Bank are closed at weekends. *And they're run by the council so TfL staff can't even open them for you. The City of London is unlikely to be impressed by being described as "the council". My record says "outside gateline, by exit 3, 08.00-18.15 M-F, 10.00-16.00 S&S". The map marks Bank with a dagger symbol for which the key says: "Toilet not managed by London Underground. You may be charged for using the facilities. Ask staff for information." The toilets at Bank are free. It did - I can't say it does - have the problem that the opening hours are only shown when open. Westminster's Piccadilly Circus facilities have the same problem. The Monument facilities - underground at the bottom of Gracechurch Street - are not and should be daggered as the City runs them, too. The toilets near Monument station (underground in the island at the junction of Eastcheap, King William Street and Gracechurch Street) are free, and open daytime 7 days a week (they close at an early 3pm Mon- Fri and at 5pm Sat and Sun). I work nearby and they're clean and tidy - but down a steep flight of steps. There is a fancy-looking new disabled toilet (if you'll pardon the expression) directly behind the Monument itself, close to the Fish Street Hill exit of the station, which I think is RADAR keyholders only, though I don't have such a key and so haven't been able to investigate it. Details of City of London Corporation toilets he http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corpo...ic_toilets.htm They all seem to be open Sat and Sun daytime. They all seem to be free (except for the automated "pods" which cost 20p) PaulO |
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On 25 Jan, 10:12, Walter Briscoe wrote: In message of Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:06:49 in uk.transport.london, solar penguin writes (snip) The toilets at Bank are closed at weekends. *And they're run by the council so TfL staff can't even open them for you. The City of London is unlikely to be impressed by being described as "the council". Ha ha, no indeed they wouldn't be! But that's sort-of what they are of course (... I did say sort-of!). [...] I recommend a RADAR key for anyone p***ing (travelling) around London. They can be bought by anyone and VAT free by anyone with a disability for Customs purposes - wider than the Freedom Pass criteria. I bought mine from http://www.radar.org.uk/radarwebsite/tabid/41/default.aspx. I paid 3.50 + VAT as I did not realise my disability allowed exemption. I would not recommend the toilet location book at a tenner as its addresses do not include post codes. Service is slow. It is possible to buy cheaper at EBay, etc. but why bother for such a small sum which, I trust, contributes to extending the scheme. I've come across this beforehand and pondered buying one myself. However I have wondered whether it's a good idea letting anyone get hold of such a key, disability or no-disability (FSVO 'disability', in which I suppose I'd include diabetics for these purposes at least). I'd think there might be a danger of the whole scheme being somewhat undermined if lots of people without a disability (such as myself) get hold of and use these keys to access the specially provided toilets. [...] My information on Stratford is obsolete since LO platforms moved. [...] Aha, but they haven't moved! I don't think this has actually been mentioned yet either on here or on uk.railway - anyway the scheduled move to the new platforms never took place over the Christmas/ New Year period so NLL trains are still running in and out of the low- level platforms. See the following thread on the District Dave forums, particularly the post from 'routemasterkeith' on this second page and then the posts which follow on from it: http://districtdave.proboards39.com/...ad=9707&page=2 Also see this entry on this blog belonging to 'mackenzieblu', which has a bit more information about the Stratford situation as the author managed to speak to Ian Brown of TfL London Rail at the opening of Woolwich Arsenal DLR: http://mackenzieblu.blogspot.com/200...h-arsenal.html Regarding toilets at Stratford - until recently they were definitely open and were situated within the fare-paid area on the concourse next to the low-level NLL platforms, and for all I know they still are open - though I can imagine that they might well get closed when work starts on converting the low-level platforms and alignment over to DLR operation (which is what you seem to suggest). There's an access system which entails one having to pay 20p to open the main door to the toilets (though I remember it not always being in use), but obviously if someone's coming out or someone else is already paying to get in then if you're quick you can get in without paying before the door slams shut! P.S. Perhaps I shall start a thread about the delayed move of the NLL platforms at Stratford. |
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