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How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London
Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"THC" wrote in message
... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC It is regularly used on trains entering Victoria Eastern. Strangely, since we are on the train, it says "mind the gap between the platform and the train". Wrong way round! MaxB |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC It is used in various places worldwide, including Sydney. Though apparently in the USA you don't mind it, you watch it. See http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Mind_the_gap For the Sydney example see http://www.cityrail.info/training_ru...ning_rules.jsp I was intrigued when visiting New York a couple of years back with the "gap filler" arrangements at South Ferry subway station, which was on an extremely sharp curve and could only handle the front half of a train. I believe the station has just been rebuilt to eliminate this curve. See http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/stations?6:2678 Regards David Bennetts Australia |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
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, at 01:26:12 on Thu, 22 Jan 2009, THC remarked: My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! On the Midland Mainline there are several stations where the guards announce "mind the gap between the train and the platform edge". -- Roland Perry |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"THC" wrote in message
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! I'd say it was grossly over-used on LU. It's used at many station with straight platforms and no significant gap, which means regular passengers simply filter it out, even though there are a few stations where you really do need to watch out (eg, the Central Bank platforms). |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
Roland Perry wrote:
On the Midland Mainline there are several stations where the guards announce "mind the gap between the train and the platform edge". And "mind the gap" is painted on the platform edge at Market Harborough. Mind you, less of a gap and more of a jump. There must be 18" vertical between step and platform. How come the two are so far out of alignment? |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
In message , at 11:19:53 on
Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Grant remarked: On the Midland Mainline there are several stations where the guards announce "mind the gap between the train and the platform edge". And "mind the gap" is painted on the platform edge at Market Harborough. Mind you, less of a gap and more of a jump. There must be 18" vertical between step and platform. How come the two are so far out of alignment? I presume the track has been canted over in recent times, to facilitate fast through-running. -- Roland Perry |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On 22 Jan, 11:28, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:19:53 on Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Grant remarked: On the Midland Mainline there are several stations where the guards announce "mind the gap between the train and the platform edge". And "mind the gap" is painted on the platform edge at Market Harborough. Mind you, less of a gap and more of a jump. There must be 18" vertical between step and platform. How come the two are so far out of alignment? I presume the track has been canted over in recent times, to facilitate fast through-running. Platform 2 at Lewisham has such huge gap in places that you have to leap over it. I don't know how the elderly manage it. There is no announcements, but lights under the platfrom come on when a train approaches. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On 22 Jan, 09:34, "Batman55" wrote:
"THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC It is regularly used on trains entering Victoria Eastern. Strangely, since we are on the train, it says "mind the gap between the platform and the train". Wrong way round! I was on a Southeastern train passing through the Brixton area, on its way to Victoria, when the announcement said "We will shortly be arriving at Cannon Street. Please mind the gap ... etc". It was a very big gap. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"MIG" wrote in message
... It was a very big gap. I've heard it said, just before he went out to lunch, by the manager of a well-known high-street clothing store to an underling. Ian |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! A repetitive 'Mind the Gap' as per for example the Waterloo Bakerloo platforms is rare, but certainly in the SWT area, 'Mind the gap' is an integral part of platform announcements at a fair number of stations, as is 'Mind the step down from the train' in on train announcements. Certainly occurs widely enough not to be considered unusual. Paul S |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
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How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
... "THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! A repetitive 'Mind the Gap' as per for example the Waterloo Bakerloo platforms is rare, but certainly in the SWT area, 'Mind the gap' is an integral part of platform announcements at a fair number of stations, as is 'Mind the step down from the train' in on train announcements. Certainly occurs widely enough not to be considered unusual. SWT are obsessed with announcements all the time on and off the train. It gets really annoying (though they'll claim they have to keep telling you to read the safety notices.) |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
(eg, the Central Bank platforms). As well as the bends, ISTR the west end of the westbound platform drops down, leaving the large vertical gap that I noticed on my way towards the floor of the carriage, having tripped over the step... |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"Graculus" wrote in message
... "Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! A repetitive 'Mind the Gap' as per for example the Waterloo Bakerloo platforms is rare, but certainly in the SWT area, 'Mind the gap' is an integral part of platform announcements at a fair number of stations, as is 'Mind the step down from the train' in on train announcements. Certainly occurs widely enough not to be considered unusual. SWT are obsessed with announcements all the time on and off the train. It gets really annoying (though they'll claim they have to keep telling you to read the safety notices.) e.g. at Woking. They will have a routine announcement such as "Weekend travel information from South West Trains..." which goes on at length detailing what buses etc. you will need at the weekend. However, if a train comes in before it has finished (quite frequently at Woking) it will cut that off and come straight in with "Platform 4 for the xx:xx....". Then a few seconds later you will be treated to the weekend travel information again (from the start). However, if a train then comes in.... you get the picture. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
Grant wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: On the Midland Mainline there are several stations where the guards announce "mind the gap between the train and the platform edge". And "mind the gap" is painted on the platform edge at Market Harborough. Mind you, less of a gap and more of a jump. There must be 18" vertical between step and platform. How come the two are so far out of alignment? chester has the words painted on the edge (you can see to varients, one saying "Please mind the gap "and the other just "mind the gap" one has been blacked out and the other written on top but i cant remember which way round, also on the mml routes the guard often announces it as "please take care when leaving the train and mind the gap between the train and the platform edge" |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Jan 22, 10:26*am, THC wrote:
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC Yes it is indeed used elsewhere. On the New York subway a derivative of "Mind the gap" in the form of "Mind da gap mon" is often used. Also to altert pasengers to the iminent closure of the doors "Stand clear a da clozin dawz, pleeze" is usually announced. Paul |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Jan 22, 9:50*pm, "David Bennetts"
wrote: "THC" wrote in message ... My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC It is used in various places worldwide, including Sydney. *Though apparently in the USA you don't mind it, you watch it. Seehttp://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Mind_the_gap For the Sydney example seehttp://www.cityrail.info/training_rules/training_rules.jsp I was intrigued when visiting New York a couple of years back with the "gap filler" arrangements at South Ferry subway station, which was on an extremely sharp curve and could only handle the front half of a train. *I believe the station has just been rebuilt to eliminate this curve. *Seehttp://www.nycsubway.org/perl/stations?6:2678 Regards David Bennetts Australia Do they actually make an announcement in Sydney? I've never heard it, but then again I am an infrequent visitor. John |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:56:04 GMT someone who may be "Bob Harris"
wrote this:- e.g. at Woking. They will have a routine announcement such as "Weekend travel information from South West Trains..." which goes on at length detailing what buses etc. you will need at the weekend. However, if a train comes in before it has finished (quite frequently at Woking) it will cut that off and come straight in with "Platform 4 for the xx:xx....". If they would do the same thing with television sets displaying so-called security messages, engineering information and, very occasionally, where the next train is going to that would be great. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
In message , Roland Perry
writes I presume the track has been canted over in recent times, to facilitate fast through-running. Going into London on SWT this morning, I noticed "mind the gap" announcements at every station after Putney. I suspect this results from switching over the fast and slow lines a few years back - the platforms on the old up slow line have all been visibly raised at some time in the past, but those on the new slow line (old up fast) have not, leaving quite a gap. At most stations it was a standard "mind the gap between the train and the platform", but at Queens Road Battersea it was subtly different: "mind the step down from the train to the platform". -- Paul Terry |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:26:12 -0800, THC wrote:
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC The automated announcements on class 175s always used to say "When leaving the train, please mind the gap between the train and the platform edge" at all stations. I'm not sure if they still do. peter |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
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How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
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How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"naked_draughtsman" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:26:12 -0800, THC wrote: My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC The automated announcements on class 175s always used to say "When leaving the train, please mind the gap between the train and the platform edge" at all stations. I'm not sure if they still do. SPT units do the same thing - Think the message is along the lines of "We are now approaching Carntyne, please mind the gap when alighting from this train" It took about 3 iterations of the announcement software to get to that..... The message is read at every station, regardless of the size of the gap. Unfortunately I'd become de-sensitised to the constant reminders to mind the gap when I visited Bristol TM on a 150. Please mind the yawning chasm between the train and P3 would have been more appropriate. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
They were saying 'Mind the gap' in Portuguese on the Rio de Janeiro
metro yesterday. tim |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:52:01 -0600, naked_draughtsman
wrote: The automated announcements on class 175s always used to say "When leaving the train, please mind the gap between the train and the platform edge" at all stations. I'm not sure if they still do. The 175s now have an odd new setup, including a slightly Eastern-European-sounding "tune" before some announcements. They also don't seem to include the request stops in the list of stations, getting away with it by saying "the following principal stations". Surprisingly, the announcements are not even in part in Welsh. Desiros mention to mind the gap, as I recall. They also *have* a large gap in the announcement itself if there is a long list of stations for some reason. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... The 175s now have an odd new setup, including a slightly Eastern-European-sounding "tune" before some announcements. They also don't seem to include the request stops in the list of stations, getting away with it by saying "the following principal stations". The jingle does sound a bit home made. And you can hear the joins in the station list. Surprisingly, the announcements are not even in part in Welsh. They've gone to great pains to have the end of coach displays show Cryw/Crewe and the like, but for some reason they miss the Welsh translation of Abergavenny (Y Fenni) - which is shown on the platform signs there. -- Tim http://tim-fenton.fotopic.net |
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How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
TimB wrote:
They were saying 'Mind the gap' in Portuguese on the Rio de Janeiro metro yesterday. tim They were displaying PLEASE LISEN O ANOUNCGMGNTS.....? on my Southeastern train this afternoon. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:26:12 -0800 (PST), THC
wrote: My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC Further British Railways linguistic aberrations: "Station stop" as in: Stevenage is your next station stop. Either station or stop would be sufficient. "My name is xxx and I am your team leader." I bought a ticket; I didn't join a team. "Vestible ends". This, I imagine, is related to the word 'vestibule' but pronounced differently. One could argue that priests are vestible, or vestable, but whether their ends are is another question. I suspect that, if train guards or whatever they are nowadays were to make announcements sincerely in their own words rather than reading out a script in a very artificial tone, people might pay more attention to what's said. And perhaps even not have mobile phone conversations in the carriages where they're requested not to. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:26:12 -0800 (PST), THC
wrote: My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! THC Further British Railways linguistic aberrations: "Station stop" as in: Stevenage is your next station stop. Either station or stop would be sufficient. "My name is xxx and I am your team leader." I bought a ticket; I didn't join a team. "Vestible ends". This, I imagine, is related to the word 'vestibule' but pronounced differently. One could argue that priests are vestible, or vestable, but whether their ends are is another question. I suspect that, if train guards or whatever they are nowadays were to make announcements sincerely in their own words rather than reading out a script in a very artificial tone, people might pay more attention to what's said. And perhaps even not have mobile phone conversations in the carriages where they're requested not to. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
David Bennetts wrote:
I was intrigued when visiting New York a couple of years back with the "gap filler" arrangements at South Ferry subway station, which was on an extremely sharp curve and could only handle the front half of a train. I believe the station has just been rebuilt to eliminate this curve. See http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/stations?6:2678 It has not been rebuilt. Rather, a new two-track terminal station has been built essentially underneath it. The new station has not yet opened, but when it does open, the old station will be decommissioned. The old trackage will still be used, as it provides a valuable track connection between the West Side IRT (1/2/3) and East Side IRT (4/5/6). It also has an inner loop track, which only connects to the East Side and is used to turn East Side trains that terminate at Bowling Green (mostly off-peak 5 trains). The inner loop has its own platform, which was used until the 70's by a shuttle train to Bowling Green. Gap fillers remain in use at Union Square (southbound 4/5/6 platform) and at Times Square (shuttle). And there will still be one station that can only accommodate half of a train: 145 St on the 3. -- David of Broadway New York, NY, USA |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
THC wrote:
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! I forget where exactly in Paris I heard this (I think it might have been the MP89 on the Line 14 "Météor"), but the automated announcements translate "Attention à la marche en descandant du train" as "Please mind the gap between the train and the platform." There are certainly no references to minding gaps in New York, or, I'd guess, anywhere else in the United States. This is the closest we have: http://www.mta.info/lirr/safety/WatchtheGap.html -- David of Broadway New York, NY, USA |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Jan 25, 2:39*am, David of Broadway
wrote: David Bennetts wrote: I was intrigued when visiting New York a couple of years back with the "gap filler" arrangements at South Ferry subway station, which was on an extremely sharp curve and could only handle the front half of a train. *I believe the station has just been rebuilt to eliminate this curve. *See http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/stations?6:2678 It has not been rebuilt. *Rather, a new two-track terminal station has been built essentially underneath it. *The new station has not yet opened, but when it does open, the old station will be decommissioned. The old trackage will still be used, as it provides a valuable track connection between the West Side IRT (1/2/3) and East Side IRT (4/5/6). * It also has an inner loop track, which only connects to the East Side and is used to turn East Side trains that terminate at Bowling Green (mostly off-peak 5 trains). *The inner loop has its own platform, which was used until the 70's by a shuttle train to Bowling Green. Gap fillers remain in use at Union Square (southbound 4/5/6 platform) and at Times Square (shuttle). *And there will still be one station that can only accommodate half of a train: 145 St on the 3. -- David of Broadway New York, NY, USA Ah! Do i spot a fellow fan of the NY subway? Your knowledge is far more encyclopedic than mine so thank you for that thorough explanation. BTW photos of the new South Ferry station can be seen here http://www.nyctransitforums.com/foru...1b091& t=7597 Paul |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
pedan3 wrote: Further British Railways linguistic aberrations: "Station stop" as in: Stevenage is your next station stop. Either station or stop would be sufficient. Not necessarily. The train could pass through the next station without stopping on its way to Stevenage. Or it could stop at a red signal just outside Stevenage. |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
THC wrote:
My wife wants to know whether "Mind the Gap" as used on London Underground is used on railways, metros outside London (I'm pretty certain that announcements are made on Platform 17 at Clapham Junction - the phrase is certainly picked out in white paint as you step off the train) but for the life of me I can't think of any examples of seeing it written or hearing it on PA systems elsewhere in the UK. I'd be grateful for any examples, o wise ones! It's used frequently at Manchester Oxford Road. I noticed it in particular last night on a transpennine service because the tone changed so abruptly from the usual 'arriving at station X' announcement. I'm pretty much inured to the constant (mostly) pointless announcements on trains these days that I switch off to them. -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "The fact is that when I compose I never think of and never have thought of meeting the listener." -George Perle |
How widespread is usage of "Mind the Gap"?
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:07:54 -0000, "Tim Fenton"
wrote: The jingle does sound a bit home made. It has more than a passing resemblance to the "internationale trein" jingle at Schiphol. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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