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Where will the bendy buses go?
If Boris does get his way and boot all the bendies out of london where
would they go? Theres a lot of them, they can't be sold off in europe because they're RHD, they're far too new to scrap and they're really only suitable for a city enviroment. Are there any other cities that they could be effectively used in? B2003 |
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Where will the bendy buses go?
On 22 Jan, 18:34, wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:53:55 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: In message , writes If Boris does get his way and boot all the bendies out of london where would they go? Theres a lot of them, they can't be sold off in europe because they're RHD, they're far too new to scrap and they're really only suitable for a city enviroment. Are there any other cities that they could be effectively used in? They're already used in a number of other UK cities, particularly by Arriva and Go-Ahead. And in most places across Europe. Where they could be "effectively used" to diminish the population, given that the doors open on the wrong side - is that what you meant? |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:53:55 +0000, Paul Terry
wrote: They're already used in a number of other UK cities, particularly by Arriva and Go-Ahead. Where do Arriva use them? I thought First was the most prolific user of them. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:39:52 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: My own theory is that most of them will sit in yards and decay. The big problem is the third door in the rear section. All other bendies - apart possibly from those on the Eden project shuttle - are two doored because there is no open boarding elsewhere in the UK. I assume they could be locked out of use. But as the Citaro can be ordered in a single-door or dual-door bendy form, I suspect it'll just be a module swap of some sort. The other potential market for them is airports, where the 3 doors may prove an advantage. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:39:52 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote: My own theory is that most of them will sit in yards and decay. The big problem is the third door in the rear section. All other bendies - apart possibly from those on the Eden project shuttle - are two doored because there is no open boarding elsewhere in the UK. I assume they could be locked out of use. But as the Citaro can be ordered in a single-door or dual-door bendy form, I suspect it'll just be a module swap of some sort. The other potential market for them is airports, where the 3 doors may prove an advantage. Wouldn't airports want doors on both sides? I'm sure they could be added, but it's extra work. |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:18 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote: Wouldn't airports want doors on both sides? I'm sure they could be added, but it's extra work. Many of them don't have - Schiphol, for instance, use a load of normal buses on hire from HTM (from the Hague) as well as the big unwieldy yellow things. But in any case I was thinking more of the car park shuttles. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:34:16 GMT, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:27:21 GMT, wrote: I have only seen First with them in London and Manchester I have never seen Stagecoach with any they probably will get some to snarl up the streets of Preston with once the buyout of PB is completed . Stagecoach seem to be a fan of pretty much exclusively Alexander Dennis products, whose range doesn't (as I recall) include a bendybus. They do seem to have a small fleet of Optare's here in Lancashire Neil and PB have a mixed variety of vehicles, it remains to be seen if they respray and keep them all . From Observation, Stagecoach have a very standardised fleet of Alexander and Dennis products. You will see the occasional oddball order where they are trying a new type. Currently the standard seems to be Mini: Optare Solo (MAN engines) Midi: ADL Enviro200Dart (on Dennis/MAN chassis) Full Size: ADL Enviro300 (on Dennis/MAN chassis) Double Deck: ADL Enviro400 (on Dennis chassis mostly) Coaches: Plaxton/Volvo |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
My own theory is that most of them will sit in yards and decay. The big problem is the third door in the rear section. All other bendies - apart possibly from those on the Eden project shuttle - are two doored because there is no open boarding elsewhere in the UK. I'd be perfectly happy for bendies to stay in service in London but we know what the policy is. The Eden ones are tri-door. They do occasionally work the Station shuttles aswell... |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:34:16 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:27:21 GMT, wrote: I have only seen First with them in London and Manchester I have never seen Stagecoach with any they probably will get some to snarl up the streets of Preston with once the buyout of PB is completed . Stagecoach seem to be a fan of pretty much exclusively Alexander Dennis products, whose range doesn't (as I recall) include a bendybus. Not a great surprise given the Souter shareholding in Alexander Dennis. To be strictly fair Stagecoach bought a lot of Alexander bodied products over the years but that may well be loyalty to a Scottish business as much as anything. Stagecoach have bought a lot of Optare Solos as the low floor successor to Mercedes minibuses. -- Paul C |
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If Boris does get his way and boot all the bendies out of london where would they go? Theres a lot of them, they can't be sold off in europe because they're RHD, they're far too new to scrap and they're really only suitable for a city enviroment. Are there any other cities that they could be effectively used in? When the 453 changed hands last year, some went to 'top up' other bendy routes (most run by other companies), a few went to the Stratford Olympic site as a worker mover (painted white), while some are still in store. It has been suggested that they might go to Malta, and other Right-hand drive countries are a possibility. As has been said, several UK cities use or have used bendies; First has many inferior bendies in Yorkshire (The sad claustrophobic Wrightbus that pretends to be a tram and has conductors because the autoticket machines don't work!), so any rival who introduced Citaros would clean up! Worth pointing out that most of the bendies are not owned by operators, but leased for the period of the contract, so final destination does not depend on staying 'within the company', which is a boon for Go-Ahead and Arriva, neither of whom have many urban areas that could take them. Don't worry about the doors; it's very common for ex-London buses to have a door or two removed and extra seats inserted - the problem may be that the door they'd want to seal (the middle doors - not the rear doors), is the one with the ramp. Most two-door bendies have the ramp at the front, I believe. I don't know where the Wright "Streetcar" (yecch!) has its ramp; probably on the roof, disguised as a pantograph. -- Andrew http://www.vuzen.com/2008/08/bendy-b...in-london.html "If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
there is a suggestion that some will end up in Malta. *Makes mental note to visit Malta again sooner rather than later* Saying that, they'd be useful on the evening and night service 662 between Valetta and Paceville (for the pubs and nightclubs) - this service only runs at weekends, but leaves every 5 mins from around 7pm to 3am and is always packed, especially when using ancient 40 seaters... Yes, I think artics might work on that. But please leave the day routes alone! Cheers Steve M |
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In message , at 22:04:18 on
Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Recliner remarked: The other potential market for them is airports, where the 3 doors may prove an advantage. Wouldn't airports want doors on both sides? Not if they are used as shuttle buses to the car parks. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:26:56 +0000, Mark B wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:39:53 GMT, (Neil Williams) wrote: Where do Arriva use them? I thought First was the most prolific user of them. I have only seen First with them in London and Manchester I have never seen Stagecoach with any they probably will get some to snarl up the streets of Preston with once the buyout of PB is completed . Stagecoach have some up in Scotland, mostly Volvo/Plaxton articulated coaches used on busy express routes (saying that they might have been replaced by ex-Megabus Neoplan Skyliners) We have three bendies used on the Aberdeen to Peterhead services, alongside, inter alia, three Neoplan Skyliners. -- Stuart Johnson in Peterhead, Scotland To reply direct remove FILTER from |
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On 22 Jan, 20:27, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:39:53 GMT, (Neil Williams) wrote: Where do Arriva use them? *I thought First was the most prolific user of them. I have only seen First with them in London and Manchester I have never seen Stagecoach with any they probably will get some to snarl up the streets of Preston with once the buyout of PB is completed . First also have (IIRR) 20 in Glasgow, and I believe also use them in Bristol, not counting the FTR vehicles in Leeds and York, that said they prefer a Volvo/ Wrightbus combination, so O:530 Citaro G's would be non-standard. National Express use Scania and Mercedes-Benz Artics in Birmingham and Coventry. |
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On 22 Jan, 20:34, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:27:21 GMT, wrote: I have only seen First with them in London and Manchester I have never seen Stagecoach with any they probably will get some to snarl up the streets of Preston with once the buyout of PB is completed . Stagecoach seem to be a fan of pretty much exclusively Alexander Dennis products, whose range doesn't (as I recall) include a bendybus. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. Stagecoach Western operate Plaxton and Jonckheere Bodied articulated coaches from Glasgow to Ayrshire. |
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On 22 Jan, 19:39, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:53:55 +0000, Paul Terry wrote: They're already used in a number of other UK cities, particularly by Arriva and Go-Ahead. Where do Arriva use them? *I thought First was the most prolific user of them. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. I don't know of Arriva running any outside london, but Go-Ahead definitely use them between Gateshead and the Metrocentre and IIRR at Heathrow with their Menzies subsidiary, |
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Andrew Heenan wrote:
wrote: snip Don't worry about the doors; it's very common for ex-London buses to have a door or two removed and extra seats inserted - the problem may be that the door they'd want to seal (the middle doors - not the rear doors), is the one with the ramp. Most two-door bendies have the ramp at the front, I believe. snip This also would not be a problem as the ramp is modular (made by MBB) and can easily be removed and relocated. Bob |
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"TroyTempest" wrote:
Don't worry about the doors; it's very common for ex-London buses to have a door or two removed and extra seats inserted - the problem may be that the door they'd want to seal (the middle doors - not the rear doors), is the one with the ramp. Most two-door bendies have the ramp at the front, I believe. This also would not be a problem as the ramp is modular (made by MBB) and can easily be removed and relocated. Thanks for that - shame the cab isn't too - then they could get work in Europe! ;o) -- Andrew |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:29:07 +0000, Stuart Johnson
wrote: Stagecoach have some up in Scotland, mostly Volvo/Plaxton articulated coaches used on busy express routes (saying that they might have been replaced by ex-Megabus Neoplan Skyliners) We have three bendies used on the Aberdeen to Peterhead services, alongside, inter alia, three Neoplan Skyliners. Sorry, a follow-up to my own post I know. Just to amplify, the Aberdeen to Peterhead services, although busy, are not 'express', they stop anywhere, as outside of Peterhead/Ellon/Aberdeen you can just wait anywhere at the roadside. -- Stuart Johnson in Peterhead, Scotland To reply direct remove FILTER from |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:59:10 -0800 (PST), wrote: If Boris does get his way and boot all the bendies out of london where would they go? Theres a lot of them, they can't be sold off in europe because they're RHD, they're far too new to scrap and they're really only suitable for a city enviroment. Are there any other cities that they could be effectively used in? there is a suggestion that some will end up in Malta. The government there has employed consultants who have come up with a scheme to completely revise the Maltese bus system. This would scrap the current scheme that uses largely second hand buses run by owner drivers in a form of cooperative. The proposals envisage a hierarchy of services with bendies on the very high demand corridors. There are very few double deck buses in Malta as there was long term resistance to their use so single decks are the main bus type. The article is in the latest Buses Magazine. My own theory is that most of them will sit in yards and decay. The big problem is the third door in the rear section. All other bendies - apart possibly from those on the Eden project shuttle - are two doored because there is no open boarding elsewhere in the UK. And in Manchester, many / most passengers seem to ignore the second door, and alight at the front, even those who had been sitting in the rear portion of the bus. Bevan |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0000, "Bevan Price"
wrote: And in Manchester, many / most passengers seem to ignore the second door, and alight at the front, even those who had been sitting in the rear portion of the bus. Probably because in the early days drivers were reluctant to open the rear doors. May still be. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Jan 24, 10:44*am, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0000, "Bevan Price" wrote: And in Manchester, many / most passengers seem to ignore the second door, and alight at the front, even those who had been sitting in the rear portion of the bus. Probably because in the early days drivers were reluctant to open the rear doors. *May still be. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. Its more the fact that a fair few of the bus stops aren't really big enough for them. Especially Lever Street when there is a rigid bus in front |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0000, "Bevan Price" wrote: And in Manchester, many / most passengers seem to ignore the second door, and alight at the front, even those who had been sitting in the rear portion of the bus. Probably because in the early days drivers were reluctant to open the rear doors. May still be. Neil When I first used them on the Manchester - Bury route, the rear doors were often opened if anyone was standing near them, but most passengers seemed to ignore them and alight at the front. Maybe there were insufficient bendy buses in the area for people to become familiar with alighting at a second door. Bevan |
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Bevan Price typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: : "Neil Williams" wrote in message : ... : On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0000, "Bevan Price" : wrote: : : And in Manchester, many / most passengers seem to ignore the second : door, and alight at the front, even those who had been sitting in : the rear portion : of the bus. : : Probably because in the early days drivers were reluctant to open : the rear doors. May still be. : : : When I first used them on the Manchester - Bury route, the rear doors : were often opened if anyone was standing near them, but most : passengers seemed to ignore them and alight at the front. Maybe there : were insufficient bendy buses in the area for people to become : familiar with alighting at a second door. When they (briefly) tried two-door buses in Birmingham in the 70's, the little hooligans all got on via the exit door to avoid passing the driver. They (the buses) didn't last long. The hooligans, unfortunately know how to breed and are therefore still sadly with us. Ivor |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:07:02 -0000, "Bevan Price"
wrote: When I first used them on the Manchester - Bury route, the rear doors were often opened if anyone was standing near them, but most passengers seemed to ignore them and alight at the front. Maybe there were insufficient bendy buses in the area for people to become familiar with alighting at a second door. Or maybe it was because there have been at times dual-door buses in Manchester, but the rear door has always been out of use. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:18:56 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote: When they (briefly) tried two-door buses in Birmingham in the 70's, the little hooligans all got on via the exit door to avoid passing the driver. They (the buses) didn't last long. The hooligans, unfortunately know how to breed and are therefore still sadly with us. Quite. But for some reason this seems only rarely to be an issue in London... Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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