On 7 Feb, 20:33, Roland Perry wrote:
They do look like small lifts - but what are they doing on a "before"
picture?

It's an "after" picture of the rebuilding/expansion of the Tube Ticket
Hall that was done as part of Phase 1 and therefore is accurate for
how things stand today. However it's an anachronistic for it to show
the lifts in situ, when presumably there are just empty spaces.

(though there isn't currently even an opening in the north wall for
access to the new lift)

U

On 7 Feb, 21:19, lonelytraveller
wrote:
While I was there....
I found this:

I've taken the logical next step, and composited the two images:
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/maha.t...62046499893410

The red square is the favourite position for the new lift. Hopefully
they've done a better job than I have of working out what's above
what, lest it actually come out in the cross passage.

U

In message
, at
14:06:09 on Sat, 7 Feb 2009, lonelytraveller
remarked:
It doesn't show the lift either. I think the lift is going in the
corner of that passageway, adjacent to the head of the picadilly
escalator, just before it turns left up the steps to the other half of
the passage, where sock shop was.
Its just occurred to me that maybe they are closing the passage so
that they can turn it into a gentle slope downwards, accessed from the
airside - it would join up with the old northern line lift shaft very
smoothly if they did that.

None of the plans show any such passage, or re-use of the old lifts.
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Roland Perry

In message
, at
14:00:38 on Sat, 7 Feb 2009, lonelytraveller
remarked:
Isn't the lift the mustard-coloured thing? Also the blue one features in
one of the artists impressions posted earlier today.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-tube-hall.jpg

It looks like the blue one would be on the other side of the tracks
from the platform, and the mustard one would be directly over the
tracks, so I'd have to say that I doubt it was either.

The blue one is indeed over the tracks, but no-one said it was a lift
down to the Northern Line... however its position doesn't seem useful
for any of the other lines.

The mustard one is exactly the same as Mr Thant's red one, and I agree
with his positioning - that if comes out in a cross-passage at the
Northern Line platform level.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 16:34:57
on Sat, 7 Feb 2009, remarked:
The access from the concourse doesn't close till tomorrow.

I keep forgetting it's been delayed.
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
16:34:57 on Sat, 7 Feb 2009, remarked:
The access from the concourse doesn't close till tomorrow.

I keep forgetting it's been delayed.

Only until today, though.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 09:30:14 on Sun, 8 Feb
2009, Roland Perry remarked:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-tube-hall.jpg

It looks like the blue one would be on the other side of the tracks
from the platform, and the mustard one would be directly over the
tracks, so I'd have to say that I doubt it was either.

The blue one is indeed over the tracks, but no-one said it was a lift
down to the Northern Line... however its position doesn't seem useful
for any of the other lines.

The mustard one is exactly the same as Mr Thant's red one, and I agree
with his positioning - that if comes out in a cross-passage at the
Northern Line platform level.


OK, I've now found yet another plan of the works, and it seems that:

(a) The Mustard lift is, as widely supposed, a lift to the Northern Line
platforms.

(b) The Blue lift is a very short one, and just serves to get from the
Ticket Office level down to the barrier level (repeating the final stage
of the existing 'new lift' at the other end of the barrier line). It's
also necessary to use that small lift to get to the Mustard lift.

Meanwhile: The Old Northern Line lifts would pass through the
right-angle 'junction' in the passage from the NTH to the northern line
(see composite below).

I have also amended the drawing below because (in common with some other
artists impressions on the passageways) it originally showed the exit to
the front of KX Station too far north.

Plus: that exit also has a lift, and there are additional lifts between
the NTH and the passage to the Piccadilly line, and between that passage
and the Piccadilly line. No lifts to the Victoria Line as far as I can
tell.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-composite.jpg
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Roland Perry

In uk.transport.london message Pine.LNX.4.64.0902071412510.30480@urchin
..earth.li, Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:14:48, Tom Anderson
posted:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Roland Perry wrote:

airside

We have to come up with a better term for this!

I think i've seen fare-paid used in this way, but it's not as snappy.

How about railside?

Trainside expresses the essence of it. Railside and trackside seem
better suited to the land between the tracks and the fences which is
used only for the placement of railway accessories.

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On 8 Feb, 12:54, Roland Perry wrote:
Meanwhile: The Old Northern Line lifts would pass through the
right-angle 'junction' in the passage from the NTH to the northern line
(see composite below).

No they wouldn't. The shafts are further east and pass through the
north end of the tube ticket office complex. Above ground one of them
becomes that giant silver LUL vent structure on the KX forecourt.

See the black and white 3D rendering on page 6 he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...pr07_FINAL.pdf

The new tunnel has a deliberate kink to the west to avoid the shafts,
which you can see the footprint of between the platforms.

(The drawing you've used in your composite doesn't leave enough space
between the new Northern Line passageway and the TTH-NTH subway)

No lifts to the Victoria Line as far as I can tell.

I believe there's one incorporated into the access from the
passageway.

U

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

In uk.transport.london message Pine.LNX.4.64.0902071412510.30480@urchin
.earth.li, Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:14:48, Tom Anderson
posted:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009, Roland Perry wrote:

airside

We have to come up with a better term for this!

I think i've seen fare-paid used in this way, but it's not as snappy.

How about railside?

Trainside expresses the essence of it. Railside and trackside seem
better suited to the land between the tracks and the fences which is
used only for the placement of railway accessories.

You're right that trackside is already taken. Trainside makes sense.
Analogy to the aviation term would suggest steelside!

tom

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