Following consultation, Chesham and Amersham will each have 2 tph off peak,
presumably following S stock being fully introduced on the Met:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11185.aspx

Paul S

On 11 Feb, 18:50, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Following consultation, Chesham and Amersham will each have 2 tph off peak,
presumably following S stock being fully introduced on the Met:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11185.aspx


Thanks for the heads up. The changes are explained in simple terms
further down in the aforementioned press release...

---quote---
Changes to services

The changes, which would not affect the current peak-time services,
are as follows:

* Two trains per hour running direct between Chesham and central
London throughout the day. Customers would no longer need to change at
Chalfont & Latimer

* Two Metropolitan line trains per hour between Amersham and central
London, instead of the present four. The two trains per hour service
provided by Chiltern Trains (one train per hour on Sundays) would be
unaffected, so the total number of trains from Amersham to central
London would fall from six to four per hour (and from five trains to
three per hour on Sundays)
---/quote---


So a bit less turn up and go at Amersham then, and *if* Amersham/
Chesham/ Chiltern trains are to run every ten minutes (similar to the
current timetable) then Amersham passengers might have up to a 20
minute wait for the next train.

Obviously those returning to Amersham from central London will have to
deal with the fact that their next direct train will depart from
either Baker Street or Marylebone. I suppose this could be abated
somewhat by providing better information at Harrow on the Hill for
Amersham bound passengers so they know which platform to go for their
next Amersham train (i.e. for a Met line or Chiltern train), though I
guess some pax would just head to Chalfont & Latimer and change there.

This does all rather presume that Chiltern will keep stopping between
Amersham and Rickmansworth and at Harrow on the Hill - are they
obliged to do so under the agreement with LU? There are already two
(morning) up and one (evening) down Chiltern trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though I understand they do actually pass through slowly
(for a trip-cock test?). This could be taken as suggesting a
begrudging attitude by Chiltern in serving Met line stations, though
I'd think it's just a sensible approach with regards to busy peak time
services.

By the by, the PDF of the Chiltern timetable is here, with Aylesbury -
Amersham - HotH - Marylebone services are on pages 74-77:
http://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/uploads/publications/1073.pdf

Mizter T wrote:

This does all rather presume that Chiltern will keep stopping between
Amersham and Rickmansworth and at Harrow on the Hill - are they
obliged to do so under the agreement with LU?

Part of the regulatory requirements at privatisation is that there is no
degradation of service from BR days - the Passenger Service Requirement
(IIRC, it was a long while ago!).

There are already two
(morning) up and one (evening) down Chiltern trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though I understand they do actually pass through slowly
(for a trip-cock test?).

Two up that don't stop at Amersham and two more that don't stop south of
Amersham. Similar on the return (neither the 18:23 nor the 19:15 ex
Marylebone stop at Amersham).

This could be taken as suggesting a
begrudging attitude by Chiltern in serving Met line stations, though
I'd think it's just a sensible approach with regards to busy peak time
services.

They were additional services added in the mid-1990s to cater for the
increasing number of commuters from north of Amersham, rather than a
withdrawal of stops from other services. The only station that lost its
Chiltern services was Moor Park.

On Feb 11, 9:15*pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

This does all rather presume that Chiltern will keep stopping between
Amersham and Rickmansworth and at Harrow on the Hill - are they
obliged to do so under the agreement with LU?

Part of the regulatory requirements at privatisation is that there is no
degradation of service from BR days - the Passenger Service Requirement
(IIRC, it was a long while ago!).

There are already two
(morning) up and one (evening) down Chiltern trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though I understand they do actually pass through slowly
(for a trip-cock test?).

Two up that don't stop at Amersham and two more that don't stop south of
Amersham. Similar on the return (neither the 18:23 nor the 19:15 ex
Marylebone stop at Amersham).

This could be taken as suggesting a
begrudging attitude by Chiltern in serving Met line stations, though
I'd think it's just a sensible approach with regards to busy peak time
services.

They were additional services added in the mid-1990s to cater for the
increasing number of commuters from north of Amersham, rather than a
withdrawal of stops from other services. The only station that lost its
Chiltern services was Moor Park.

Any idea which of the Amershams and Cheshams will be faster/slower?
Will they stop at Wembley Park etc?

On 11 Feb, 21:15, "Jack Taylor" wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

This does all rather presume that Chiltern will keep stopping between
Amersham and Rickmansworth and at Harrow on the Hill - are they
obliged to do so under the agreement with LU?

Part of the regulatory requirements at privatisation is that there is no
degradation of service from BR days - the Passenger Service Requirement
(IIRC, it was a long while ago!).

Thanks for that.


There are already two
(morning) up and one (evening) down Chiltern trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though I understand they do actually pass through slowly
(for a trip-cock test?).

Two up that don't stop at Amersham and two more that don't stop south of
Amersham. Similar on the return (neither the 18:23 nor the 19:15 ex
Marylebone stop at Amersham).

Whoops - thanks, I evidently didn't do a very good job at scanning
through the timetable and missed one of those evening down services ex-
Marylebone!


This could be taken as suggesting a
begrudging attitude by Chiltern in serving Met line stations, though
I'd think it's just a sensible approach with regards to busy peak time
services.

They were additional services added in the mid-1990s to cater for the
increasing number of commuters from north of Amersham, rather than a
withdrawal of stops from other services. The only station that lost its
Chiltern services was Moor Park.

OK, that makes sense. I think I'd just read something from an annoyed
Amersham commuter who watched Chiltern trains pass by (seemingly
slowly) with a degree of annoyance. Though I also recall reading
something in a Chiltern newsletter about how they were trying to avoid
'Underground commuters' overrunning their trains! I suspect they were
talking about those very same peak time trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though did they ever stop at Amersham in the past and this
stop was later withdrawn?

I'm guessing that Moor Park didn't feature in the 'Passenger Service
Requirement' that you mentioned earlier? Or might the Chiltern service
there have been withdrawn by mutual consent of Chiltern and LU?

Mizter T wrote:

I suspect they were
talking about those very same peak time trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though did they ever stop at Amersham in the past and this
stop was later withdrawn?

No, the service pattern has been virtually unchanged since the 'fasts' were
added in. One (the 17:53 ex Marylebone) did stop at Harrow then Amersham at
one time. The current 17:48 is first stop Amersham.

I'm guessing that Moor Park didn't feature in the 'Passenger Service
Requirement' that you mentioned earlier? Or might the Chiltern service
there have been withdrawn by mutual consent of Chiltern and LU?

I suspect both. It was around 1996 when the Moor Park stops were withdrawn.

Regarding the 'trip-cock' tests, up trains running onto LUL at Amersham have
to pass the station at reduced speed to avoid failing the trip-cock at the
end of the platform - which does tend to attract the unfamiliar LUL
passenger, walking towards the train as it slows and then getting frustrated
when it doesn't stop. In the down direction, running off LUL (actually not
quite, the boundary is a mile further on, at Mantles Wood, but the third
rail ends just beyond the station) it is quite common for the Chiltern
services to pass at full line speed.

The change is basically a loss of resilience for the Chesham punter, at
the moment if the met is broken they can get the Chiltern to Chalfont &
Latimer to get the shuttle, now if the Met is SNAFU so is everyone
living in Chesham....the next step closure?

Jack Taylor wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
I suspect they were
talking about those very same peak time trains that don't stop at
Amersham - though did they ever stop at Amersham in the past and this
stop was later withdrawn?

No, the service pattern has been virtually unchanged since the 'fasts' were
added in. One (the 17:53 ex Marylebone) did stop at Harrow then Amersham at
one time. The current 17:48 is first stop Amersham.

I'm guessing that Moor Park didn't feature in the 'Passenger Service
Requirement' that you mentioned earlier? Or might the Chiltern service
there have been withdrawn by mutual consent of Chiltern and LU?

I suspect both. It was around 1996 when the Moor Park stops were withdrawn.

Regarding the 'trip-cock' tests, up trains running onto LUL at Amersham have
to pass the station at reduced speed to avoid failing the trip-cock at the
end of the platform - which does tend to attract the unfamiliar LUL
passenger, walking towards the train as it slows and then getting frustrated
when it doesn't stop. In the down direction, running off LUL (actually not
quite, the boundary is a mile further on, at Mantles Wood, but the third
rail ends just beyond the station) it is quite common for the Chiltern
services to pass at full line speed.

BoristheSpider gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

The change is basically a loss of resilience for the Chesham punter, at
the moment if the met is broken they can get the Chiltern to Chalfont &
Latimer to get the shuttle, now if the Met is SNAFU so is everyone
living in Chesham....the next step closure?

Blimey, Boris, you're a bit of a cheery optimist, aren't you?

Anybody else would regard two direct trains per hour instead of two
direct trains per day as an improvement. Not you...

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Following consultation, Chesham and Amersham will each have 2 tph off
peak, presumably following S stock being fully introduced on the Met:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/11185.aspx

Paul S
Can Chesham take 8 coach trains?

Kevin

"Zen83237" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Can Chesham take 8 coach trains?

It does currently. Just not many of 'em.