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"Mizter T" wrote ...
Anyway I didn't really mean to focus so much on the issues surrounding
the oncoming ELLX link to Clapham Jn - I think it's great that it's
happening, it completes the picture of an orbital route around London
- but I don't think it's great because it'll look all neat and tidy on
a map, I think it's great because it'll be genuinely useful.

I agree and all credit to Boris for bringing Ken's dream to reality. And I'm
not just being snarky; Ken saw the potential of the North London Line in his
GLC days, and has carried on recognizing that underfunded inner London
routes can be developed for Londoners, and fighting for funding. Boris has
done well not to cut this like he has cut all the other projects - but he
needs to prove himself by focussing on the next lines to be sequestered. As
Ken would have done. Indeed, as Ken announced he would do.
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On 12 Feb, 18:31, MIG wrote:

On Feb 12, 6:23*pm, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

The other thing about the Victoria - Bellingham service ('SLL2' as
I've called it) that I didn't mention earlier is that it conveniently
runs out of Victoria's less busy eastern side, thus freeing up
platforms in the central side of the station - the South London RUS
highlights this as a benefit of this plan. So the SLL is basically
seen as the weakest link at both London Bridge and Victoria (central),
getting the boot from both of them, though space is then offered up in
Victoria eastern for its SLL2 replacement to Bellingham. Of course
this also precludes a stop *at Battersea Park, because trains from the
eastern side of Victoria can't even get on to the central side's
tracks to get to Battersea Park in the first place (and making complex
alterations to enable this would no doubt be unwelcome).

I'm sure they can. *There's a crossover that can be reached from
platforms 3 - 8, leading to the "Brighton Slow" tracks.


I dithered before writing that and in retrospect it's silly - I know
full well that there's a connection as platform 8 is served by both
Southeastern and Southern trains. However I though that was the only
one eastern side platform - platform 8 - that could access the central
side's tracks (perhaps I should actually be talking about eastern and
central divisions - sounds a bit like a yankee sports league!). It's
highly likely I'm wrong!

Therefore I suppose it is possible that the replacement 'SLL2' service
to Bellingham could call at Battersea Park at least until the
platforms get extended there (if they ever do). Not sure if a four car
Networker could go down that way though, and if it did whether it
would fit on the platform at Battersea Park.

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On Feb 12, 6:44*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 18:31, MIG wrote:





On Feb 12, 6:23*pm, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

The other thing about the Victoria - Bellingham service ('SLL2' as
I've called it) that I didn't mention earlier is that it conveniently
runs out of Victoria's less busy eastern side, thus freeing up
platforms in the central side of the station - the South London RUS
highlights this as a benefit of this plan. So the SLL is basically
seen as the weakest link at both London Bridge and Victoria (central),
getting the boot from both of them, though space is then offered up in
Victoria eastern for its SLL2 replacement to Bellingham. Of course
this also precludes a stop *at Battersea Park, because trains from the
eastern side of Victoria can't even get on to the central side's
tracks to get to Battersea Park in the first place (and making complex
alterations to enable this would no doubt be unwelcome).

I'm sure they can. *There's a crossover that can be reached from
platforms 3 - 8, leading to the "Brighton Slow" tracks.

I dithered before writing that and in retrospect it's silly - I know
full well that there's a connection as platform 8 is served by both
Southeastern and Southern trains. However I though that was the only
one eastern side platform - platform 8 - that could access the central
side's tracks (perhaps I should actually be talking about eastern and
central divisions - sounds a bit like a yankee sports league!). It's
highly likely I'm wrong!

Therefore I suppose it is possible that the replacement 'SLL2' service
to Bellingham could call at Battersea Park at least until the
platforms get extended there (if they ever do). Not sure if a four car
Networker could go down that way though, and if it did whether it
would fit on the platform at Battersea Park.

It could be run by 319s ...

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On 12 Feb, 16:15, "Batman55" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Hallelujah! Phase 2b of the East London Line Extension, which will
link the existing line south of Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction via
the 'South London Line' railway has finally been given the full go-
ahead after an eon of prevarication, in part the result of squabbling
between the DfT and TfL/ the Mayor of London over funding. Whilst the
latest negotiations are almost certain to have had a political angle,
what with the different political hues of Boris and the government,
this is a saga that has been going on for a lot longer than the
current Mayor is likely to have known what ELLX phase 2b actually
meant (which should perhaps be borne in mind when it comes to handing
out the credit - but fair play to him in so far as he recognised the
importance of the project and pushed ahead with it).

The East London Line link to Clapham Jn will provide an abundance of
orbital journey possibilities.

Phase 2b is shown on this map in light blue (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

Funny, whilst on a trip today from Bromley via Clapham Jn, Willesden, Gospel
Oak and Barking (yes I am!) and back to Bromley, I wondered why they don't
switch the SL service from London Bridge at Wandsworth Road to Olympia (or
some sensible point along the WLL)? Solves DH problem and gives another way
of avoiding central London.

Er, that wouldn't actually solve anything I'm afraid to say - the SLL
service is being evicted from London Bridge and is essentially being
replaced by the ELLX to Clapham Jn plus by a possible new Victoria -
Peckham Rye - Bellingham service calling at all stations (except
Battersea Park).

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest. However this would miss out the massive interchange hub that is
Clapham Junction! I'm sure a direct service like this would be useful
to many people, but by heading for Clapham Jn the service will instead
be more useful to more people - those wanting to head up the WLL can
change at CJ for trains that go up that way. London Overground will
offer same or cross platform interchange at platforms 1&2, though
passengers who want Southern WLL trains will need to get over to
platform 16 on the other side of the station.


Really need to do something about the speed limits on the WLL though!

MaxB

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"Mizter T" wrote in message
...


It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...

Paul S

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On 12 Feb, 18:43, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote ...

Anyway I didn't really mean to focus so much on the issues surrounding
the oncoming ELLX link to Clapham Jn - I think it's great that it's
happening, it completes the picture of an orbital route around London
- but I don't think it's great because it'll look all neat and tidy on
a map, I think it's great because it'll be genuinely useful.

I agree and all credit to Boris for bringing Ken's dream to reality. And I'm
not just being snarky; Ken saw the potential of the North London Line in his
GLC days, and has carried on recognizing that underfunded inner London
routes can be developed for Londoners, and fighting for funding. Boris has
done well not to cut this like he has cut all the other projects - but he
needs to prove himself by focussing on the next lines to be sequestered. As
Ken would have done. Indeed, as Ken announced he would do.


I absolutely agree about Ken and indeed I've made much the same point
in the past - Livingstone has long had a passionate involvement in
London's transport, and he brought this heritage to the table on
becoming Mayor which led on to projects such as the ELLX and the
London Overground takeover. In other words this was his doing, no
doubt!

TfL never got hold of Southern's Metro routes but we can at least be
thankful that their fingerprints are all over the franchise
requirements (more staffed and improved stations, more services etc)
thanks to lobbying by TfL under the old Mayor.

Afraid I can't really see Boris keenly pursuing the strategy of
transferring custodianship of London rail routes over to TfL. I
suppose it's possible that some things could change when the planets
next align themselves, i.e. when the Mayor and the government are of
the same hue (in 2010), though nothing in particular appears to be on
the agenda in that regard.

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On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. *Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...


Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

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Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth
Road straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia
and the rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service,
to get a train from NXG to/from the WLL. Could allow half of that so
called XC 'ghost bus' service to be binned...


Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

We could write to the DfT and earn a consutancy fee...

How about diverting those one of those Greenford shuttles from Paddington to
Kensington Olympia as well? Job done...

Paul S

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On 12 Feb, 19:17, Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. *Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...

Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

The DfT has actually announced that an Ealing Broadway Wandsworth
Road rail bus replacement rail replacement service (IYSWIM!) is going
to be part of the new Southern franchise. And what an awkward bugger
to run it's going to be, as one of Southern's Class 171 units will
have to be diverted to service it. See The Ticket Collector for the
saga, at: http://theticketcollector.wordpress.com

Specifically for the latest announcement:
http://theticketcollector.wordpress....ice-part-iii5/

Regards
Brian

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On Feb 12, 6:44*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 18:31, MIG wrote:





On Feb 12, 6:23*pm, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

The other thing about the Victoria - Bellingham service ('SLL2' as
I've called it) that I didn't mention earlier is that it conveniently
runs out of Victoria's less busy eastern side, thus freeing up
platforms in the central side of the station - the South London RUS
highlights this as a benefit of this plan. So the SLL is basically
seen as the weakest link at both London Bridge and Victoria (central),
getting the boot from both of them, though space is then offered up in
Victoria eastern for its SLL2 replacement to Bellingham. Of course
this also precludes a stop *at Battersea Park, because trains from the
eastern side of Victoria can't even get on to the central side's
tracks to get to Battersea Park in the first place (and making complex
alterations to enable this would no doubt be unwelcome).

I'm sure they can. *There's a crossover that can be reached from
platforms 3 - 8, leading to the "Brighton Slow" tracks.

I dithered before writing that and in retrospect it's silly - I know
full well that there's a connection as platform 8 is served by both
Southeastern and Southern trains. However I though that was the only
one eastern side platform - platform 8 - that could access the central
side's tracks (perhaps I should actually be talking about eastern and
central divisions - sounds a bit like a yankee sports league!). It's
highly likely I'm wrong!


I don't think that platform 8 is regularly used by Southeastern
trains. It is accessed by from the Southern gateline and there is a
gate between it and platform 7. Physically, the pointwork allows all
of platforms 3-8 access to/from the 'Brighton' lines at Victoria
(rather than via Stewarts Lane), but I can't remember if the
signalling allows it.