On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:00:13 +0100, "Lüko Willms"
wrote:

Am Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:16:30 UTC, schrieb Charles Ellson
auf uk.railway :

To avoid the catastrophy of the Cologne Historical Archive which
fell into the underground building site for a underground line...

I think the British Library is a further back from the road, though.

It is also a much more recent building and IIRC built to be somewhat
more "disaster-proof".

This building in Cologne had no problems until the underground line
was built right next to it. The sucked the ground away from underneath
the building with the ground water. The transit company had accepted
the offer from a construction company for a cheaper method and thus
not built a HDI sole at the bottom of the pit.

But this is off-topic in this thread...

This gives a new meaning to the term "Eau-de-Cologne".

"Martin Edwards" wrote

How about Grantham? That would annoy the old bat.

If we'd had a PM in the 1980s who had a positive rather than negative
outlook on railways (and who did not think instinctively that any French or
German policy was by definition nuts) we might have got a HSL from London to
Birmingham and Manchester instead of the WCML PUG, which would have been
much better value for money.

Peter

[I think this is only on topic in uk.railway. Followups set.]

On 27/03/09 07:03, Martin Edwards wrote:
Roger Lynn wrote:
On 25/03/09 20:22, Lüko Willms wrote:
-- the other one leaving central London to the East, stopping at
Stratfort Int'l, then turning North with a station at Stanstead
airport, Cambridge, and then Leeds.

You've missed out both the East Midlands and South Yorkshire.

How about Grantham? That would annoy the old bat.

What about it? It's my home town. It's lucky to have the rail service
that it has. When I lived in Gateshead it was a brilliant journey home.
I don't expect a new high speed line to stop there though, but the East
Midlands as a whole (which includes Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and
numerous other towns) should have a station, as should South Yorkshire
(and south County Durham/north North Yorkshire).

Roger

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:44:08 +0100, "Lüko Willms"
wrote:

Perhaps you don't exactly understand the meaning of the word "exactly".

My reading filter always tries to make sense of what I read. Well,
mostly.

Tony P. is a civil engineer, and knows what he is talking about.

Am Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:25:29 UTC, schrieb Andrew Price
auf uk.railway :

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:44:08 +0100, "Lüko Willms"
wrote:

Perhaps you don't exactly understand the meaning of the word "exactly".

My reading filter always tries to make sense of what I read. Well,
mostly.

Tony P. is a civil engineer, and knows what he is talking about.

BTW, this "exactly" turns only the same results if the soil
conditions are exactly the same at Euston Road as in the Rhine valley.



Cheers,
L.W.

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Peter Masson wrote:
"Martin Edwards" wrote
How about Grantham? That would annoy the old bat.

If we'd had a PM in the 1980s who had a positive rather than negative
outlook on railways (and who did not think instinctively that any French or
German policy was by definition nuts) we might have got a HSL from London to
Birmingham and Manchester instead of the WCML PUG, which would have been
much better value for money.

Peter


I'll drink to that.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

"Lüko Willms" wrote:
Am Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:25:29 UTC, schrieb Andrew Price
auf uk.railway :

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:44:08 +0100, "Lüko Willms"
wrote:

Perhaps you don't exactly understand the meaning of the word "exactly".

My reading filter always tries to make sense of what I read. Well,
mostly.

Tony P. is a civil engineer, and knows what he is talking about.

BTW, this "exactly" turns only the same results if the soil
conditions are exactly the same at Euston Road as in the Rhine valley.


At last, you understand the meaning of the word "exactly". ;-)

Martin Edwards wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
"Martin Edwards" wrote
How about Grantham? That would annoy the old bat.

If we'd had a PM in the 1980s who had a positive rather than negative
outlook on railways (and who did not think instinctively that any French or
German policy was by definition nuts) we might have got a HSL from London to
Birmingham and Manchester instead of the WCML PUG, which would have been
much better value for money.

Peter


I'll drink to that.


Either there is a misunderstanding of political history here, or someone
is trying to rewrite it.

The government that was in power for the whole of the 1980s was about as
benign towards the railway as any postwar administration has been.
No-one dared privatise the railways - it was widely viewed by the Tory
party as a privatisation too far.

The problems started in 1992, when the Tories were unexpectedly
re-elected with John Major as leader. The idiot had some misplaced
fondness for the days of the "Big Four" pre-1948 and allowed the
arch-privatisers to dismember the very successful Sectorised BR and
sell it off.

The same sort of assumptions that led to the Poll Tax debacle were
allowed to pass unchallenged when it came to privatising BR. The same
mistakes were made, and we have been paying a high price for them ever
since.

In message , at 23:38:30 on
Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Tony Polson remarked:
The problems started in 1992, when the Tories were unexpectedly
re-elected with John Major as leader. The idiot had some misplaced
fondness for the days of the "Big Four" pre-1948 and allowed the
arch-privatisers to dismember the very successful Sectorised BR and
sell it off.

But as you know, he wanted to sell it off as integrated sectors, but the
*railway* industry told him that wouldn't work, and that it was
necessary to split things into the Railtrack/ROSCO/TOC system.
--
Roland Perry

On Mar 27, 3:25*pm, Andrew Price wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:44:08 +0100, "Lüko Willms"

wrote:
Perhaps you don't exactly understand the meaning of the word "exactly"..

*My reading filter always tries to make sense of what I read. Well,
mostly.

Tony P. is a civil engineer, and knows what he is talking about.

That is funny!

"Bruce" Polson is also a postmaster, civil servant, writer of
political manifestos, and an ace photographer. And, even doing all of
the above he still manages to be a benefactor of Scotland and the
uk.railway village idiot.

Whether AP knows what he is talking about is an altogether different
question.