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Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next
Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote
wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. |
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On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. *Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. *Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. *Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! |
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On 25 Mar, 21:05, "philip" wrote: Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! It's worth bearing in mind that the police might well be playing up the risk to make it easier for them to utilise a number of powers that exist in anti-terrorism, public order and other such legislation - powers that are conditional on there being a perceived threat. With regards to the City of London Police, the were caught 'off-guard' in June 1999 when a demo basically became a bit of a riot and have been very cautious ever since. Lastly, the corporate security officers employed by big companies perhaps have something of an interest in playing up potential trouble - this is after all their bread and butter and they have to justify their existence. |
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On Mar 25, 9:05*pm, "philip" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. For an idea of how accurate the reporting is likely to be, I'll never forget May Day 2001, where I went home from chatting with some pensioners in Trafalgar Square after the traditional march, which took place in a cheearful carnival atmosphere, and then on the TV saw the BBC attempting to describe a riot. They had about ten seconds of someone being shoved outside a McDonalds somewhere else in the country and put it on a continuous loop in the background as they reported on the pleasant carnival I had just left. |
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"MIG" wrote in message ... On Mar 25, 9:05 pm, "philip" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. For an idea of how accurate the reporting is likely to be, I'll never forget May Day 2001, where I went home from chatting with some pensioners in Trafalgar Square after the traditional march, which took place in a cheearful carnival atmosphere, and then on the TV saw the BBC attempting to describe a riot. They had about ten seconds of someone being shoved outside a McDonalds somewhere else in the country and put it on a continuous loop in the background as they reported on the pleasant carnival I had just left. No doubt Sky News will hype the whole event up to the max. |
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0700, Mizter T wrote:
Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max Yay! Let's inconvenience tens of thousands of people! Why they don't hold these bloody things in more remote places where that wouldn't happen - and where they'd be more secure to boot - I don't know. St Kilda would be a good choice. Oh, of course I know. It's because the press would have trouble getting to St Kilda and so the Dear Leader wouldn't get his ugly mug on the front page. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life -- Samuel Johnson |
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Cantrell writes On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0700, Mizter T wrote: Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max Yay! Let's inconvenience tens of thousands of people! Why they don't hold these bloody things in more remote places where that wouldn't happen - and where they'd be more secure to boot - I don't know. St Kilda would be a good choice. At the moment I'm inclined to agree with you. I have two tour jobs booked that day (Walking tour Bankside & Blackfriars afternoon and South Bank in the evening.) One of the clients is keen for this to go ahead, the other is wavering and looking to *me* for advice. Frankly, I don't *know* what to tell them. I risk losing work or I risk disruption or even harm. Still don't know what to do. :-( -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On 26 Mar, 12:12, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0700, Mizter T wrote: Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max Yay! *Let's inconvenience tens of thousands of people! Why they don't hold these bloody things in more remote places where that wouldn't happen - and where they'd be more secure to boot - I don't know. *St Kilda would be a good choice. Oh, of course I know. *It's because the press would have trouble getting to St Kilda and so the Dear Leader wouldn't get his ugly mug on the front page. To be fair, the Excel centre is sort of out of the way somewhat, out in the 'more distant' Docklands. The summit isn't being held in the QEII conference centre in Westminster, or at Lancaster House on the Mall etc. |
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On 26 Mar, 12:40, Ian Jelf wrote: In message , David Cantrell writes On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0700, Mizter T wrote: Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max Yay! *Let's inconvenience tens of thousands of people! Why they don't hold these bloody things in more remote places where that wouldn't happen - and where they'd be more secure to boot - I don't know. *St Kilda would be a good choice. At the moment I'm inclined to agree with you. * I have two tour jobs booked that day (Walking tour Bankside & Blackfriars afternoon and South Bank in the evening.) * One of the clients is keen for this to go ahead, the other is wavering and looking to *me* for advice. Frankly, I don't *know* what to tell them. * I risk losing work or I risk disruption or even harm. Still don't know what to do. * :-( Go ahead with them, that's what I say! There'll be protests at Excel in the Docklands of course, but any disturbances in central London are going to be right in the midst of the square mile. A Bankside & Blackfriars walk is far enough away from it all I'd say - are you starting at Bankside (and Tower Bridge or Borough?), and staying south until Blackfriars Bridge? I wouldn't however plan to meet at Monument/ Bank or Mansion House. Things in the City are supposed to start at midday, but I wouldn't be that surprised to find it being a bit of a damp squib. South Bank in the evening is definitely ok. Which client is wavering? I wouldn't worry about actual harm - you're not planning to be somewhere that may be in the right in the thick of "it", whatever "it" may turn out to be, after all. |
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Mizter T wrote:
To be fair, the Excel centre is sort of out of the way somewhat, out in the 'more distant' Docklands. Any location that requires the closure of 3 stations can not be called "out of the way". There are numerous large country hotels in Britain which would have create negligible disruption to travel. |
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In message , Ian Jelf
writes I have two tour jobs booked that day (Walking tour Bankside & Blackfriars afternoon and South Bank in the evening.) One of the clients is keen for this to go ahead, the other is wavering and looking to *me* for advice. You're probably OK as long as you keep out of the square mile, but there are reports in the press that protesters will attempt to bring transport to a halt by leaving unattended packages on tube trains, which would prove a big problem if your customers are expecting to arrive and depart by tube. Frankly, I don't *know* what to tell them. I risk losing work or I risk disruption or even harm. I'm sure the Met would advise if you rang them, but they'll probably say "better to cancel". It was reported on the lunchtime news today that the Met have circulated businesses in the city recommending that staff don't come in if at all possible. -- Paul Terry |
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On 26 Mar, 13:41, "John Rowland" wrote: Mizter T wrote: To be fair, the Excel centre is sort of out of the way somewhat, out in the 'more distant' Docklands. Any location that requires the closure of 3 stations can not be called "out of the way". There are numerous large country hotels in Britain which would have create negligible disruption to travel. "*sort of* out of the way *somewhat*" is wot I said, innit - and what I was getting at was that it's out of the way of central London. It also won't mean closing major roads - the A13 will remain open, the Blackwall tunnel will stay open, the Woolwich Ferry will presumably continue sailing, London City Airport plans to continue normal operations [1]. The three stations are on a light rail system where the stations are spaced closely together - these three stations are well within a mile of each other - though yes I grant you that this now means that the trains won't stop for something like almost two miles. Plus closing these stations also lessens the risk of travel disruption to the DLR network as well (though I'd guess that there are emergency plans are in place to suspend service on the Beckton branch should that be required). I'm not quite sure what my thoughts are on a summit like this, but I sort of think it is the kind of thing that happens from time to time in major capital cities. And like I said, I do think the location of Excel is "sort of out of the way somewhat". Anyway, if the summit was being held in a large country hotel out in the sticks then that wouldn't necessarily mean that demonstrations wouldn't also be held in central London at the same time. ----- [1] LCY info: http://www.londoncityairport.com/Lan...ortdisruptions |
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On 26 Mar, 14:15, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Ian Jelf writes I have two tour jobs booked that day (Walking tour Bankside & Blackfriars afternoon and South Bank in the evening.) * One of the clients is keen for this to go ahead, the other is wavering and looking to *me* for advice. You're probably OK as long as you keep out of the square mile, but there are reports in the press that protesters will attempt to bring transport to a halt by leaving unattended packages on tube trains, which would prove a big problem if your customers are expecting to arrive and depart by tube. I haven't come across that story - nonetheless I'm pretty sceptical of any such scaremongering press reportage, I can't help but think it's just the result of a hack finding some moronic comment written by a daft idiot on an internet forum somewhere (or worse, being fed such a scare story by a copper) and working it up into a story. Of course if I ever witnessed anyone actually doing that I'd not hesitate in delivering unto them some violence - but as I said, I'm pretty sceptical of such reports. As ever with such things one should remember there is not some homogeneous mass of protesters at play here, there's all sorts of folk - including a few attention seeking fools who try and whip up stuff like this. The problem with the media is that they'll hone in on the loudest voices - the "G20 meltdown" website has been mentioned many times, but it's just a couple of people who've put it together to stir things up, it's not an organisation or anything. Frankly, I don't *know* what to tell them. * I risk losing work or I risk disruption or even harm. I'm sure the Met would advise if you rang them, but they'll probably say "better to cancel". It was reported on the lunchtime news today that the Met have circulated businesses in the city recommending that staff don't come in if at all possible. I paused for a moment to ponder why someone would call the Metropolitan line control with a question like that (seriously)! |
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On Mar 25, 2:58*pm, MIG wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:05*pm, "philip" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. For an idea of how accurate the reporting is likely to be, I'll never forget May Day 2001, where I went home from chatting with some pensioners in Trafalgar Square after the traditional march, which took place in a cheearful carnival atmosphere, and then on the TV saw the BBC attempting to describe a riot. They had about ten seconds of someone being shoved outside a McDonalds somewhere else in the country and put it on a continuous loop in the background as they reported on the pleasant carnival I had just left. Worth bearing that in mind next time you see the anti Israel propaganda eminating from the MSM. |
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On 26 Mar, 18:43, wrote: On Mar 25, 2:58*pm, MIG wrote: On Mar 25, 9:05*pm, "philip" wrote: (snip) Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things to happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. For an idea of how accurate the reporting is likely to be, I'll never forget May Day 2001, where I went home from chatting with some pensioners in Trafalgar Square after the traditional march, which took place in a cheearful carnival atmosphere, and then on the TV saw the BBC attempting to describe a riot. They had about ten seconds of someone being shoved outside a McDonalds somewhere else in the country and put it on a continuous loop in the background as they reported on the pleasant carnival I had just left. Worth bearing that in mind next time you see the anti Israel propaganda eminating from the MSM. Like this? http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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On Mar 26, 6:43*pm, wrote:
On Mar 25, 2:58*pm, MIG wrote: On Mar 25, 9:05*pm, "philip" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message .... On 25 Mar, 20:01, "John Salmon" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote wrote: Does anyone know if there are plans to change public transport next Wednesday and Thursday when the Summit is in town. At work we are being warned about probable disruption (I work in the City) from demonstrations so I was wondering whether I will be even to get there or not. The latest TFL travel information bulletin - out today - identifies the risk but says there are no advance plans available at this point. But DLR are saying this: DLR STATION CLOSURES ON THURSDAY 2 APRIL 2009 Due to the G20 Summit at ExCeL London, the Metropolitan Police have requested that a number of DLR stations are closed on Thursday 2 April. The stations affected are Royal Victoria, Custom House for ExCeL and Prince Regent. Services will operate as normal on all routes, but will not stop at the affected stations. Passengers are advised to use their nearest alternative station. Times and stations affected may be modified at short notice at Police request. Please check before you travel. We apologise for any inconvenience. Not at all surprised by that - the whole area around the Excel centre is going to be 'locked down' to the max, and the DLR line in question skirts the northern perimeter of the centre's grounds. There'll surely be a heavy BTP presence on the DLR network then too. Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. For an idea of how accurate the reporting is likely to be, I'll never forget May Day 2001, where I went home from chatting with some pensioners in Trafalgar Square after the traditional march, which took place in a cheearful carnival atmosphere, and then on the TV saw the BBC attempting to describe a riot. They had about ten seconds of someone being shoved outside a McDonalds somewhere else in the country and put it on a continuous loop in the background as they reported on the pleasant carnival I had just left. Worth bearing that in mind next time you see the anti Israel propaganda eminating from the MSM.- Funnily enough, I've spent this evening with some people who are just back from Gaza, and their eye witness accounts are rather different from what has been shown on the BBC and similar so far. I won't rely on such reports. |
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:41:45PM -0000, John Rowland wrote:
Mizter T wrote: To be fair, the Excel centre is sort of out of the way somewhat, out in the 'more distant' Docklands. Any location that requires the closure of 3 stations can not be called "out of the way". There are numerous large country hotels in Britain which would have create negligible disruption to travel. Quite. And I believe that the PM has a place called "Chequers" he could use if the hotels - quite sensibly - tell the government that their disruption is not wanted. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david PERL: Politely Expressed Racoon Love |
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on Thu, 2 Apr 2009, David Cantrell remarked: I believe that the PM has a place called "Chequers" he could use if the hotels - quite sensibly - tell the government that their disruption is not wanted. But Chequers isn't big enough to host this number of visitors (plus the people behind the scenes doing all the real work of negotiating the communique). And it's said that 1500 journalists are attending, too! -- Roland Perry |
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On 25 Mar, 22:58, MIG wrote:
chomp Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. Gosh, how cynical I was. I think that recent press stories show just how badly it can affect the difficult work of the uniformed police when people photograph or film them. Given the huge amount of disruption to the police service caused by people illegally filming uniformed officers, I trust that enforcement of the new law will be made a priority. |
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"MIG" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar, 22:58, MIG wrote: chomp Thanks for the info everyone. I think that the authorities may be expecting things tp happen in the square mile as we are being warned not to wear business attire, stagger our arival/departure times, not to leave the building when we are here etc. and are advising us, if at all possible, to avoid main line stations . Sounds like they are expecting some real s**t! More likely that they are planning to dish some out and don't want too many witnesses around. Gosh, how cynical I was. I think that recent press stories show just how badly it can affect the difficult work of the uniformed police when people photograph or film them. I see no problem about citizens using filming against those who would watch THEIR every move. The truth is the truth and works in both directions. That said, provoking people (and they aren't just empty uniforms) and then crying "foul" when they get a slap or a whack with a baton for it seems bit pathetic. If one HAS principles, one should be grown-up enough to accept the consequences of venting them in a hostile way. I was a right little sod at school; I broke rules I thought were stupid, I walked where I shouldn't, I smoked when I shouldn't and I talked back to teachers who were arrogant bullies. I am THAT old that I got caned for it, or slippered, or punished in some other way. But I didn't complain, I just keep being bolshie. -- Brian "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman." |
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