On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:18 +0100 (BST), (Peter Beale)
wrote:

In article , are (Acrosticus) wrote:

My information is that on LT trams and trolleybuses they ended in 1950.
Following a public outcry though they were introduced on LT buses (both
Central
and Country) in 1952 under the rather less proletarian title of "Early
Morning
Returns". When EMRs finished I don't know however.

Are you sure about the returns bit? To my knowledge from travelling on central buses throughout the 1950s return tickets were never issued -
I think they were Early Morning Singles.

And identified by fare code EMS on Gibson ticket machines? We always
wondered what these were for.

In article , (Ken Wheatley) wrote:

And identified by fare code EMS on Gibson ticket machines? We always
wondered what these were for.

Probably. In my day they were proper tickets, pretty colours and punched by the conductor!

--
Peter Beale

Peter Beale wrote:
In article ,
(Ken Wheatley) wrote:

And identified by fare code EMS on Gibson ticket machines?
We always
wondered what these were for.

Probably. In my day they were proper tickets, pretty
colours and punched by the conductor!

So violence on public transport is nothing new then? :-))

Cast_Iron wrote:
Peter Beale wrote:
And identified by fare code EMS on Gibson ticket machines?
We always
wondered what these were for.

Probably. In my day they were proper tickets, pretty
colours and punched by the conductor!

So violence on public transport is nothing new then? :-))

There must have been many a time when unruly schoolchildren sat next to the
aisle on an RT/RTL, etc. were "accidentally on purpose" clouted on the head,
thereby re-arranging the grey cells, by a strategically height-adjusted
Gibson ticket machine!
Law and order/ peace and quiet for everyone else ... :-)

Have a nice Day
Paul


--
Get the mail to the right temperature :-

Workemens tickets originated, as far as I know, when Liverpool St
station was built in London (about 1870?)

The station required demolition of a huge amount of cheap slum
housing, causing a public outcry, and a demand that the railway be
forced to do something in compensation for displacing all those low
income people. The result was cheap commuting tickets from new cheap
housing built up the line. The previous train users didn't really
welcome all those unwashed people on their trains, so the tickets
were timed so that the new users would have to travel at a different
time from the middle classes.

Jeremy Parker

"Paul Brown" wrote in message
...
Cast_Iron wrote:
Peter Beale wrote:
And identified by fare code EMS on Gibson ticket machines?
We always
wondered what these were for.

Probably. In my day they were proper tickets, pretty
colours and punched by the conductor!

So violence on public transport is nothing new then? :-))

There must have been many a time when unruly schoolchildren sat next to
the
aisle on an RT/RTL, etc. were "accidentally on purpose" clouted on the
head,
thereby re-arranging the grey cells, by a strategically height-adjusted
Gibson ticket machine!
Law and order/ peace and quiet for everyone else ... :-)

LOL and quite right too - noisy little beggars!!

"Paul Brown" wrote in message
...

There must have been many a time when unruly schoolchildren sat next to
the
aisle on an RT/RTL, etc. were "accidentally on purpose" clouted on the
head,
thereby re-arranging the grey cells, by a strategically height-adjusted
Gibson ticket machine!
Law and order/ peace and quiet for everyone else ... :-)

And before the advent of ticket machines, the ticket rack served a similar
purpose.
--
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org
E-mail:
URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/

Many thanks for all your help, guys!

Very informative replies.


The questions were in relation to a small family
history project, and I will likely return to ask
some more.


But for now, what were the old LT ticket machines
on buses called? Did they have a manufacturers name
or a colloquial name? I mean the aluminium ones with
black plastic 'cog' on the side (fare selector?) and
a handle to print out the ticket. The print was usually
purple and the machines looked ancient by the late 70's
early 80's.


Again, many thanks for the responses!





Rizla Ranger UK wrote
Hola all

I have questions for those with knowledge
of bus services during the 1930's - 1950's


During this period, were there Nightbuses?
If yes, were there many, or just a few routes?
If so, what were these routes?

What times did these buses operate between and was
the fare pricing the same as daytime operations?


During this period, what were 'Workmans Tickets'?
I've heard this was a special pricing system for
workers in the Docks etc. How did this work?

Were there a list of prescribed occupations which
qualified for 'workmans ticket' and if so, how did
you prove you qualified?

How much below the standard fare did this price fall?

When was the 'workmans ticket' introduced and when did it stop?


Finally, during this period, which were the most common
buses to see throughout East and Central London?





Many thanks for any help you can give.

Apologies for the crosspost


please reply to group

"Rizla Ranger UK" wrote in message
om...

But for now, what were the old LT ticket machines
on buses called? Did they have a manufacturers name
or a colloquial name? I mean the aluminium ones with
black plastic 'cog' on the side (fare selector?) and
a handle to print out the ticket. The print was usually
purple and the machines looked ancient by the late 70's
early 80's.

That would be the Gibson machine, named after its designer. If you find
one in good condition for sale, let me know..!!

Ivor

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 16:40:59 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote in
, seen in uk.transport.buses:

[...]
That would be the Gibson machine, named after its designer. If you find
one in good condition for sale, let me know..!!

I sold two earlier this year on eBay. Both went for well in excess of
£100.

I could do you a Setright instead, though. ;-)
--
Ross Hamilton, in Lincoln (UK)
From address *will* bounce