"Ian F." wrote in message
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"Graculus" wrote in message
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So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and
thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left.

Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll
be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians
who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing.

Ian



I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who
cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk

On Apr 14, 2:16*pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message

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"Graculus" wrote in message
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So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and
thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left.

Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll
be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians
who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing.

Ian

I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who
cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk

Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message

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"Graculus" wrote in message
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So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before
lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and
turn left.

Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean
they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell
at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is
showing.

Ian

I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk

Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

Brimstone wrote:

I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk
Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

16 stone, 20 mph....

Would the 23 stone fella step in front of a car doing 5mph?

Graculus wrote:
Boris's latest mad-cap idea:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources.

So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and
thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is
cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how

No, it claims one third of the thirteen.

On Apr 14, 2:45*pm, "Brimstone" wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message

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"Graculus" wrote in message
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So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before
lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and
turn left.

Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean
they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell
at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is
showing.

Ian

I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk

Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

If he's that big I'll just be impressed he can move that fast.

I was suggesting that if he wants to follow a violent course of action
he may be the one to suffer physically.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:55:36 GMT someone who may be "neverwas"
wrote this:-

And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by
law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert
them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride
on pavements etc.

I take it that you would also allow cyclists to fit short lances to
their bikes to deal with pedestrians and motorists who fail to obey
the law?



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

You have a good point. The only thing that lets that idea down in
that the number of peds killed by cyclists is very very few. Not that
I am excusing the cyclists, its just very rare. But the number of
cyclists killed by traffic is a lot higher. Hence Boris's idea to
reduce cyclist casualties.

Death is not the only form of injury. But stats on
cyclist-on-pedestrian incidents seem rare and partial because (i) there
is no requirement on cyclists to stop and give details and (ii) the
police do not count them as RTCs.

As regards "Boris's idea", the report includes

"More than a third of fatal cycling accidents in London involve cyclists
being hit by heavy vehicles turning left, Transport for London (TfL)
said."

But is that cyclists (i) who were waiting for red lights to turn green
or (ii) cyclists at large - including those trying to "undertake" an HGV
at a junction? If not (i) then the statistics are (as so often) being
used to mislead.

--
Robin

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Brimstone wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message
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"Graculus" wrote in message
I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk
Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

I don't think he has to be as heavy as that. Some of us will remember
how a small boy was able to bring down Lance Armstrong. It doesn't need
much of a push on the handlebars to put you on the floor.

Roger Thorpe

Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:45 pm, "Brimstone" wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message
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"Graculus" wrote in message
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So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before
lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and
turn left.
Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean
they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell
at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is
showing.
Ian
I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.
pk
Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!
If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

If he's that big I'll just be impressed he can move that fast.

I was suggesting that if he wants to follow a violent course of action
he may be the one to suffer physically.

No, the "violent course of action" is the one undertaken by the cyclist,
by putting pedestrians at risk.