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Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Boris's latest mad-cap idea:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Apr 14, 7:38*pm, "Graculus"
wrote: Boris's latest mad-cap idea:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...7998687.stmand other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! Cyclists are used to looking out for people who are trying to kill them, given that that seems to be just about everybody, so it's a safe bet that they would be paying attention. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
"Graculus" wrote in message
... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
"Graculus" wrote in message ... Boris's latest mad-cap idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! As "barmy" as the entire US road system where traffic can legally turn right on a red. It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
MIG wrote:
Cyclists are used to looking out for people who are trying to kill them, given that that seems to be just about everybody, so it's a safe bet that they would be paying attention. There is a traffic lighted junction I use regularly to turn left. If I am in the car I just go on green. If I am on the bike I check to the right then go (on green). |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists,
the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. After all, the cyclists in question can't possibly believe that it would do them any harm as they make clear they believe they are a superior race. It'd do wonders for the economy as well: just think of all those job vacancies created! -- Robin |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
neverwas wrote:
It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. After all, the cyclists in question can't possibly believe that it would do them any harm as they make clear they believe they are a superior race. Probably not a bad idea. If they got all the cyclists off the pavements and onto the roads, the roads would be safer for everyone. But then again the motorists would be bitching that they are being held up by all these cyclists who shouldn't be there... As my mother used to say, "be careful of what you wish for, because you might actually get it" :-) |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
mileburner wrote:
"Graculus" wrote in message ... Boris's latest mad-cap idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! As "barmy" as the entire US road system where traffic can legally turn right on a red. It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) Completely correct. Oh, sorry, I mean in the same way that the demented cnuts on bikes who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to motorists need to get a car and STFU, of course... |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
neverwas wrote:
It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. After all, the cyclists in question can't possibly believe that it would do them any harm as they make clear they believe they are a superior race. It'd do wonders for the economy as well: just think of all those job vacancies created! I suggested something similar a few months ago, and the whinging *******s in URC insisted that I was being 'disproportionate'. Odd, innit, that this disproportion thing only applies to car drivers exposing cyclists to harm, and not to cyclists exposing pedestrians to the same :) |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
"thaksin" wrote in message ... neverwas wrote: It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. After all, the cyclists in question can't possibly believe that it would do them any harm as they make clear they believe they are a superior race. It'd do wonders for the economy as well: just think of all those job vacancies created! I suggested something similar a few months ago, and the whinging *******s in URC insisted that I was being 'disproportionate'. Odd, innit, that this disproportion thing only applies to car drivers exposing cyclists to harm, and not to cyclists exposing pedestrians to the same :) You have a good point. The only thing that lets that idea down in that the number of peds killed by cyclists is very very few. Not that I am excusing the cyclists, its just very rare. But the number of cyclists killed by traffic is a lot higher. Hence Boris's idea to reduce cyclist casualties. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
"Ian F." wrote in message
... "Graculus" wrote in message ... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Apr 14, 2:16*pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message ... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message ... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Brimstone wrote:
I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. 16 stone, 20 mph.... Would the 23 stone fella step in front of a car doing 5mph? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Graculus wrote:
Boris's latest mad-cap idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how No, it claims one third of the thirteen. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Apr 14, 2:45*pm, "Brimstone" wrote:
Marz wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message ... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. If he's that big I'll just be impressed he can move that fast. I was suggesting that if he wants to follow a violent course of action he may be the one to suffer physically. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:55:36 GMT someone who may be "neverwas"
wrote this:- And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. I take it that you would also allow cyclists to fit short lances to their bikes to deal with pedestrians and motorists who fail to obey the law? -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
You have a good point. The only thing that lets that idea down in
that the number of peds killed by cyclists is very very few. Not that I am excusing the cyclists, its just very rare. But the number of cyclists killed by traffic is a lot higher. Hence Boris's idea to reduce cyclist casualties. Death is not the only form of injury. But stats on cyclist-on-pedestrian incidents seem rare and partial because (i) there is no requirement on cyclists to stop and give details and (ii) the police do not count them as RTCs. As regards "Boris's idea", the report includes "More than a third of fatal cycling accidents in London involve cyclists being hit by heavy vehicles turning left, Transport for London (TfL) said." But is that cyclists (i) who were waiting for red lights to turn green or (ii) cyclists at large - including those trying to "undertake" an HGV at a junction? If not (i) then the statistics are (as so often) being used to mislead. -- Robin |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
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Brimstone wrote: Marz wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. I don't think he has to be as heavy as that. Some of us will remember how a small boy was able to bring down Lance Armstrong. It doesn't need much of a push on the handlebars to put you on the floor. Roger Thorpe |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:45 pm, "Brimstone" wrote: Marz wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message ... So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. Cyclists have been running red lights for years. This'll just mean they'll be allowed to in law, so they won't have to snarl and yell at pedestrians who attempt to cross the road when the green man is showing. Ian I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. If he's that big I'll just be impressed he can move that fast. I was suggesting that if he wants to follow a violent course of action he may be the one to suffer physically. No, the "violent course of action" is the one undertaken by the cyclist, by putting pedestrians at risk. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Roger Thorpe wrote:
Snipped - attributions may be wrong Brimstone wrote: Marz wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. I don't think he has to be as heavy as that. Some of us will remember how a small boy was able to bring down Lance Armstrong. It doesn't need much of a push on the handlebars to put you on the floor. Wasn't that because his bars got hooked on a stationary object ( the boy) by a ligature ( the mussett )? I think it would have been different if the boy had been in front of Lance. Unless I'm thinking af a different occasion? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:55:36 GMT someone who may be "neverwas" wrote this:- And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. I take it that you would also allow cyclists to fit short lances to their bikes to deal with pedestrians and motorists who fail to obey the law? Would you be okay with lorry drivers fitting signs saying "Ha ha, ****, die screaming" under their near-side wheelarches, to 'educate' cyclists who undertake them? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
I take it that you would also allow cyclists to fit short lances to their bikes to deal with pedestrians and motorists who fail to obey the law? That depends on what laws you have in mind. I rather think that my answer would be yes if you mean pedestrians and motorists committing GBH or the like - and possibly littering :) But I don't want cyclists to be able to continue making up their own laws. (I well remember trying to cross the road during a critical mass ride in central London. The mass ignored the red lights, ignored the 85 year old lady trying to cross with me, and told us both to "go get f****d if you ain't got a fu****g bike".) And IIRC we also don't have yet the jaywalking law Ken Livingstone proposed in 2006 (which wd have made it an offence an offence to cross other than at a specified crossing with a green light) so I'd rather not be lanced for crossing the road. It's bad enough having getting scratched, bruise and punched now when daring to use a pedestrian crossing or controlled crossing in a manner which might require a cyclist to extend his (or very rarely her) journey by 5 seconds. -- Robin |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:14:11 +0100, Marc
wrote: Roger Thorpe wrote: Snipped - attributions may be wrong Brimstone wrote: Marz wrote: On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote: "Ian F." wrote in message ... "Graculus" wrote in message I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. pk Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck. I don't think he has to be as heavy as that. Some of us will remember how a small boy was able to bring down Lance Armstrong. It doesn't need much of a push on the handlebars to put you on the floor. Wasn't that because his bars got hooked on a stationary object ( the boy) by a ligature ( the mussett )? I think it would have been different if the boy had been in front of Lance. Unless I'm thinking af a different occasion? FWIW, I believe it was a Credit Lyonnais lunchbag. These are thrown to the crowd by the caravan which passes through before the riders. They have nice long strings on them, so are very good for hooking handlebars. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:47:02 +0100, "mileburner"
wrote: "Graculus" wrote in message ... Boris's latest mad-cap idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7998687.stm and other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! As "barmy" as the entire US road system where traffic can legally turn right on a red. But an item of traffic turning right at a red is required to stop first, you can't just go bowling through. This is often forgotten in discussions about the US system. There are some junctions with "No Right on Red" signs too. It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Apr 14, 3:14*pm, Adrian wrote:
Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? No, prat. You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes, but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? No, prat. sigh A sig separator should be dash dash space, not a comma. You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes Thought so. but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Once again, that's dash dash space. Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! See? You've really not got the hang of this sig sep lark, have you? Would that be the answer where you either showed your previous comment to be a complete non-sequitur or tried desperately to back-track when you realised what a tit you'd made yourself look? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
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Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Conor wrote:
In article d0b9dc37-37a6-441e-8bf7- , MIG says... Cyclists are used to looking out for people who are trying to kill them, given that that seems to be just about everybody, so it's a safe bet that they would be paying attention. Is that why the other day, a cyclist yet again decided to cycle up the inside of an artic turning left at a roundabout with railings, even though the lorry had been in front of her, resulting in her being crushed? Was that part of your witness statement? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:14 pm, Adrian wrote: Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? No, prat. You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes, but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! Typical attitude of a typical cyclist. -- Tony the Dragon |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, MIG wrote:
On Apr 14, 7:38*pm, "Graculus" wrote: Boris's latest mad-cap idea:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...7998687.stmand other sources. So, the idea is that this allows cyclists to move off before lorries and thus not get trapped/killed when they move off and turn left. And it is cited that 13 deaths occurred because of this. What they fail to say is how many cyclists would be killed when they see the red light as a proverbial "green light" to run the red without paying any attention to what's approaching from their right and get subsequently hit by some other vehicle crossing the junction on green. I'm sure they would be meant to give way, blah blah blah, but would that happen in reality? Quite barmy! Cyclists are used to looking out for people who are trying to kill them, given that that seems to be just about everybody, so it's a safe bet that they would be paying attention. What, like the guy i almost mowed down on my way to work this morning, when he rode out from a side road onto the roundabout i was going round? All too many cyclists pay little to no attention to the world around them. tom -- I prefer gin now sleep doesn't want me anyway. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
neverwas wrote:
It seems reasonable to me. Though if they restrict it to cyclists, the usual whinging will come from the motoring lobby who get ****ed off when they don't have equal rights to cyclists. The answer is, get a bike. And STFU :-) And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. After all, the cyclists in question can't possibly believe that it would do them any harm as they make clear they believe they are a superior race. It'd do wonders for the economy as well: just think of all those job vacancies created! You forget to mention that the walking stick should go into the front wheel, the resulting turnover can be quite satisfying. -- Tony the Dragon |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:55:36 GMT someone who may be "neverwas" wrote this:- And the other part of that answer is for pedestrians to be allowed by law to carry golfing umbrellas, stout walking sticks etc and to insert them in the spokes of the wheels of cyclists who jump the lights, ride on pavements etc. I take it that you would also allow cyclists to fit short lances to their bikes to deal with pedestrians and motorists who fail to obey the law? That would be the pedestrians that have to dodge the cyclist going through red lights at pedestrian crossings. -- Tony the Dragon |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
On Apr 14, 4:13*pm, Adrian wrote:
Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? No, prat. sigh A sig separator should be dash dash space, not a comma. You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes Thought so. but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Once again, that's dash dash space. Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! See? You've really not got the hang of this sig sep lark, have you? Would that be the answer where you either showed your previous comment to be a complete non-sequitur or tried desperately to back-track when you realised what a tit you'd made yourself look? No back-tracking here. pk suggested attacking a cyclist breaking the law, I pointed out that if he tried that with me it's not going to good for him. You jumped to the conclusion that I do jump lights at busy crossings and I'm pointing out you're wrong. Why is it ok to attack someone breaking a law that doesn't involve your own person? |
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Adrian wrote:
Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. Some Lycra loon tried to run down somebody I know who works in the City a few years ago. The Lycra loon came off worst in the encounter, despite thinking at the time that he was big enough and hard enough to intimidate a man in a suit. I think it's about time that pedestrians claimed our space back from these louts. I had one of them shouting at me on Sunday as he tried to ride me down on the pavement in Camden. He got very ****ed off when I weaved to block his path but ended up having to get off the pavement and into the road where he belonged. We did however have to do through the phases of "tinkle tinkle", "Oy Get Out Of My Way!" and "**** OFF OUT OF THE ****ING WAY" before the penny dropped that I didn't give a toss about how loud he shouted. How do the ******* cope with the deaf, do they just ride them down regardless? |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian wrote: Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. Some Lycra loon tried to run down somebody I know who works in the City a few years ago. The Lycra loon came off worst in the encounter, despite thinking at the time that he was big enough and hard enough to intimidate a man in a suit. I think it's about time that pedestrians claimed our space back from these louts. I had one of them shouting at me on Sunday as he tried to ride me down on the pavement in Camden. He got very ****ed off when I weaved to block his path but ended up having to get off the pavement and into the road where he belonged. We did however have to do through the phases of "tinkle tinkle", "Oy Get Out Of My Way!" and "**** OFF OUT OF THE ****ING WAY" before the penny dropped that I didn't give a toss about how loud he shouted. How do the ******* cope with the deaf, do they just ride them down regardless? A cyclist in the City, you need to ask? -- Tony the Dragon |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz wrote:
No back-tracking here. How do you get a bicycle to go forwards at 20mph when you spend all your time back-pedalling? pk suggested attacking a cyclist breaking the law, I pointed out that if he tried that with me it's not going to good for him. Yes... errm you've never got the hang of this "logic" thing have you? You jumped to the conclusion that I do jump lights at busy crossings No, you admitted that you jump lights at crossings, and you've done it again up there. (points). You see "pk" referred to shouldering any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while he had the green man. That is, when the cyclist would encounter a red light. If you and he were on the crossing in the circumstances mentioned then you would have jumped the lights at crossings. **** me, do they all end up as Dumb as this "Marz" ****? What do they do, tighten up nuts by banging them with their head? and I'm pointing out you're wrong. You and that logic thing again, strangers forever. Why is it ok to attack someone breaking a law that doesn't involve your own person? Who said any such thing? Some **** cycling at me on a crossing does affect my person, as does the same type of brainless **** using the pavement as an express cycleway. And don't try to come the innocent on this, you've alread shown your real attitude. And quelle surprise it's the standard "**** on pedestrians" crap I've come to expect from two-wheeled scum. |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 4:13 pm, Adrian wrote: Marz gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man. Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want to shoulder charge me mate! And you'd cycle through a red light and across a pedestrian crossing being used by pedestrians without even slowing? No, prat. sigh A sig separator should be dash dash space, not a comma. You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes Thought so. but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Once again, that's dash dash space. Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! See? You've really not got the hang of this sig sep lark, have you? Would that be the answer where you either showed your previous comment to be a complete non-sequitur or tried desperately to back-track when you realised what a tit you'd made yourself look? No back-tracking here. pk suggested attacking a cyclist breaking the law, I pointed out that if he tried that with me it's not going to good for him. You jumped to the conclusion that I do jump lights at busy crossings and I'm pointing out you're wrong. Why is it ok to attack someone breaking a law that doesn't involve your own person? Well I dont want to put words in pk's mouth and I'm sure he's perfectly capable of answering for himself, but I think his comment about 'attacking' cyclists who break the law is a response to the widely-held and oft-spoken view in URC that cyclists should be permitted to vandalise cars the drivers of which have allegedly put them at risk. So: cyclist feels at risk from car = justified in attacking car (apparently). ped feels at risk from cyclist = justified in attacking cyclist. See? All makes sense now :) |
Cyclists allowed to run red lights?
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, Marz writes You really are a completely and utterly antisocial ****, aren't you? Actually yes, but that has nothing to do with how I ride my bike, ****! Let's hope that the person who does get in your way is not a little old lady, but a large healtyh fit bloke who's doing so deliberately - because you're going to hit the ground VERY hard indeed. See answer to your first stupid question, arsehole! As has already been pointed out, it only takes a little old man like me to nudge your handlebars and your momentum will do my work for me, very nicely thanks. -- Clive |
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