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CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON

Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I
counted those on a single decker in London recently and came to about
SEVEN inside - actually there are 10 on some including one at the
front looking at the traffic ahead, one at the side looking at
pedestrians boarding, and one in the driver's cab. There must be about
12 on a double decker. And on trains and Underground there seems to be
equal coverage in every carriage. And that is to say nothing of the
thousands of cameras on the street.

However the CCTV cameras in buses are not used to monitor driver
behaviour such as not stopping at bus stops even when there are seats
available, driving eratically (usually with the left foot up on the
dash with the left elbow resting on the left knee and only driving
with the right hand and right foot), and/or not stopping to pick up
mothers with prams or those in wheelchairs (when was the last time
anyone saw a wheelchair user on a bus in London).

And it seems that the train / bus companies do not even use the
footage to monitor the appalling cattle-truck over-crowding that many
services are subject to even at weekends.

Yet we are heading rapidly for the Olympics / ParaOlympics. Public
transport in London is going to have to greatly improve if the
thousands (millions?) of extra visitors are going to be properly
catered for.

Sending the drivers and other staff on 'smile and be nice' customer
service courses would be a start.

SB.

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On Apr 17, 12:48*am, SB wrote:
I am a troll. Be inflamed by my ire with the world. Go on, I dare ya.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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On 17 Apr, 00:48, SB wrote:

Sending the drivers and other staff on 'smile and be nice' customer
service courses would be a start.

Sending you on a "shut up and bugger off" course would be an excellent
continuation.

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On Apr 17, 12:48*am, SB wrote:
CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON

Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I
counted those on a single decker in London recently and came to about
SEVEN inside [...]

Studying CCTV cameras? Isn't that the kind of behaviour that marks you
as a terrorist these days?
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/c..._road_cctv.pdf

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SB wrote:

However the CCTV cameras in buses are not used to monitor driver
behaviour such as not stopping at bus stops even when there are seats
available, driving eratically (usually with the left foot up on the
dash with the left elbow resting on the left knee and only driving
with the right hand and right foot)


With automatic transmission, there are only two pedals, both of which
have to be operated using the right foot. So what was your point again?

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:40:14 +0100
Tony Polson wrote:
With automatic transmission, there are only two pedals, both of which
have to be operated using the right foot. So what was your point again?

They don't have to be - left foot braking with an auto can be quite useful
for making a quick getaway at the lights! :)

B2003

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Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I
counted those on a single decker in London recently and came to about
SEVEN inside [...]

Studying CCTV cameras? Isn't that the kind of behaviour that marks you
as a terrorist these days?
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/c..._road_cctv.pdf

--------------------------------------

I wonder if the photographer who took this photo was reported for taking
photos of young girls? ;-)

How far, exactly is this "Spy on your neighbour" expected to go? Isn't that
how the Communists and the Nazis et al kept tabs on their citizens and
maintained a state of fear?

Just asking, not making any judgements.


--
Cheers.

Roger T.
See the GER at: -
http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/

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Of course Sir,but the best one it's the webcam in my
website : www.robertoner.tk live from my girlfriend
bathroom , in Marylebone, Central London.
Enjoy it !
-------------------------------------------------------

"SB" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON

Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I
counted those on a single decker in London recently and came to about
SEVEN inside - actually there are 10 on some including one at the
front looking at the traffic ahead, one at the side looking at
pedestrians boarding, and one in the driver's cab. There must be about
12 on a double decker. And on trains and Underground there seems to be
equal coverage in every carriage. And that is to say nothing of the
thousands of cameras on the street.

However the CCTV cameras in buses are not used to monitor driver
behaviour such as not stopping at bus stops even when there are seats
available, driving eratically (usually with the left foot up on the
dash with the left elbow resting on the left knee and only driving
with the right hand and right foot), and/or not stopping to pick up
mothers with prams or those in wheelchairs (when was the last time
anyone saw a wheelchair user on a bus in London).

And it seems that the train / bus companies do not even use the
footage to monitor the appalling cattle-truck over-crowding that many
services are subject to even at weekends.

Yet we are heading rapidly for the Olympics / ParaOlympics. Public
transport in London is going to have to greatly improve if the
thousands (millions?) of extra visitors are going to be properly
catered for.

Sending the drivers and other staff on 'smile and be nice' customer
service courses would be a start.

SB.

CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON
 

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Tony Polson wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:40:14 +0100
Tony Polson wrote:
With automatic transmission, there are only two pedals, both of
which have to be operated using the right foot. So what was your
point again?

They don't have to be - left foot braking with an auto can be quite
useful for making a quick getaway at the lights! :)


You've tried that in a bus, then?

You could try it in an empty bus!

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"John Rowland" wrote:
Tony Polson wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:40:14 +0100
Tony Polson wrote:
With automatic transmission, there are only two pedals, both of
which have to be operated using the right foot. So what was your
point again?

They don't have to be - left foot braking with an auto can be quite
useful for making a quick getaway at the lights! :)


You've tried that in a bus, then?

You could try it in an empty bus!


I cannot imagine why anyone would want to.

But then again, I cannot imagine why anyone would make the "Top Gear" TV
programme, nor why anyone would watch it, with the possible exception of
giggling young teenagers. ;-)

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In message , Tony Polson
writes
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:40:14 +0100
Tony Polson wrote:
With automatic transmission, there are only two pedals, both of which
have to be operated using the right foot. So what was your point again?

They don't have to be - left foot braking with an auto can be quite useful
for making a quick getaway at the lights! :)


You've tried that in a bus, then?

I once travelling on a (London) number 3 bus down Whitehall which
actually *was* driven in such a manner.

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in London
to be higher than elsewhere but this one was driven as though either
Graham Hill [1] or Mr. Sulu was at the wheel!

[1] That's showing my age, I suppose!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:23 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in London
to be higher than elsewhere

Interesting - I find them worse. The binary throttle/brake and sheer
aggressiveness seem particular issues.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Apr 18, 2:30*pm, Tony Polson wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:23 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in London
to be higher than elsewhere

Interesting - I find them worse. *The binary throttle/brake and sheer
aggressiveness seem particular issues.

Sheer aggressiveness almost seems an essential qualification to drive in
London, given the amount of it that drivers of all kinds of vehicles
routinely display. *It isn't a place for the faint-hearted. ;-)

It's called 'assertiveness'.

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Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 18, 2:30*pm, Tony Polson wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:23 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in London
to be higher than elsewhere

Interesting - I find them worse. *The binary throttle/brake and sheer
aggressiveness seem particular issues.

Sheer aggressiveness almost seems an essential qualification to drive in
London, given the amount of it that drivers of all kinds of vehicles
routinely display. *It isn't a place for the faint-hearted. ;-)

It's called 'assertiveness'.


That probably depends on whether you are doing it, or witnessing it. ;-)

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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:44:17 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

It's called 'assertiveness'.

There is a line between assertiveness and aggressiveness. Some London
bus drivers exhibit one, some the other, and with some it will no
doubt depend on how their day was going.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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In message , Tony Polson
writes
(Neil Williams) wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:23 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in London
to be higher than elsewhere

Interesting - I find them worse. The binary throttle/brake and sheer
aggressiveness seem particular issues.


Sheer aggressiveness almost seems an essential qualification to drive in
London, given the amount of it that drivers of all kinds of vehicles
routinely display. It isn't a place for the faint-hearted. ;-)

Er, do either of you ever have cause to travel on NX West Midlands
buses??!!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Tony Polson
writes
(Neil Williams) wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:16:23 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

I mention that because I generally find bus driving standards in
London to be higher than elsewhere

Interesting - I find them worse. The binary throttle/brake and
sheer aggressiveness seem particular issues.


Sheer aggressiveness almost seems an essential qualification to
drive in London, given the amount of it that drivers of all kinds of
vehicles routinely display. It isn't a place for the faint-hearted.
;-)

Er, do either of you ever have cause to travel on NX West Midlands
buses??!!

I've heard the trams were introduced because they couldn't stop the bus
drivers doing handbrake turns.

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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:52:34 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

Er, do either of you ever have cause to travel on NX West Midlands
buses??!!

No, to be fair...

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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In message , Tony Polson
writes
Sheer aggressiveness almost seems an essential qualification to drive in
London, given the amount of it that drivers of all kinds of vehicles
routinely display. *It isn't a place for the faint-hearted. ;-)

It's called 'assertiveness'.


That probably depends on whether you are doing it, or witnessing it. ;-)
When I was learnt to drive a bus in Bristol we were taught to be
assertive, (and lane correct) to be able to make progress.
--
Clive

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:53:03 +0100, Clive
wrote:

When I was learnt to drive a bus in Bristol we were taught to be
assertive, (and lane correct) to be able to make progress.

But, I assume, not to make your standing passengers go flying by
making rough lane changes and use of full acceleration and full
braking (other than obviously in a genuine emergency)?

If you *were*, then I question the Company's judgement.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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In message , Tim Fenton
writes

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

When I was learnt to drive a bus in Bristol we were taught to be
assertive, (and lane correct) to be able to make progress.

But, I assume, not to make your standing passengers go flying by
making rough lane changes and use of full acceleration and full
braking (other than obviously in a genuine emergency)?

Next time you're in Bristol, have a spin on an 8 or 9. Leaves from
outside the station. Then you'll have an idea of what Clive's on about.

I'll second that, right up to the routes involved!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

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In message , Neil Williams
writes
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:53:03 +0100, Clive
wrote:

When I was learnt to drive a bus in Bristol we were taught to be
assertive, (and lane correct) to be able to make progress.

But, I assume, not to make your standing passengers go flying by
making rough lane changes and use of full acceleration and full
braking (other than obviously in a genuine emergency)?

If you *were*, then I question the Company's judgement.

Neil

I said lane correct, that means being in the correct lane all the time,
no lane changes, I assert my PSV training to be more advanced than my
car training but perhaps that's just my view.
--
Clive

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:44:39 +0100, Clive
wrote:

I said lane correct, that means being in the correct lane all the time,
no lane changes, I assert my PSV training to be more advanced than my
car training but perhaps that's just my view.

No, you're certainly right. As with car drivers, though, it doesn't
stop people driving like prats having passed.

The difference is between assertive and aggressive driving. I would
argue that many London bus drivers drive aggressively, not merely
assertively.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:48:19 -0700, SB wrote:

CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON

Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I counted
those on a single decker in London recently and came to about SEVEN
inside - actually there are 10 on some including one at the front
looking at the traffic ahead, one at the side looking at pedestrians
boarding, and one in the driver's cab.

You missed the one at the back looking straight at the drivers behind the
bus so they can earn more money from motorists using the bus lanes that
are used about 4% of the time, the rest of the time they're empty of all
traffic to give a clear run for the buses - the chief causes of traffic
are..... the buses. They crawl over junctions when they should be kept
clear, and everything gets blocked. Get rid of the buses.

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On Apr 26, 4:34*pm, Ar wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:48:19 -0700, SB wrote:
CCTV EVERYWHERE IN LONDON

Have you noticed how many CCTV cameras there are on the average London
train, bus - double / single decker, tram, Underground train? I counted
those on a single decker in London recently and came to about SEVEN
inside - actually there are 10 on some including one at the front
looking at the traffic ahead, one at the side looking at pedestrians
boarding, and one in the driver's cab.

You missed the one at the back looking straight at the drivers behind the
bus so they can earn more money from motorists using the bus lanes that
are used about 4% of the time, the rest of the time they're empty of all
traffic to give a clear run for the buses - the chief causes of traffic
are..... the buses. They crawl over junctions when they should be kept
clear, and everything gets blocked. Get rid of the buses.

You're a dickhead, but then you know that already :-)

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Er, do either of you ever have cause to travel on NX West Midlands
buses??!!

Yep, that can be a bit hairy sometimes but that's the least of their
worries.

Since I moved to Birmingham last year I have only had one bus journey
where no sort of crime has taken place. To be fair I only make bus
journeys about four times a month, but that's still quite a high statistic.

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In message , at 20:26:30 on Wed, 6 May
2009, Commuter remarked:
Since I moved to Birmingham last year I have only had one bus journey
where no sort of crime has taken place.

Does that include the driver running red lights?
--
Roland Perry