On Apr 22, 2:02�pm, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:02:16 -0700 (PDT)

Mizter T wrote:
You think a big showdown might have worked? Interesting. If so then
any reason to suggest why it wouldn't work now?

Worked with the miners. A few months of trouble prevented us having power
cuts throughout the 80s like the *******s inflicted on us in the years
prior to the strike.

It might work now but it would be a lot harder because the RMT are probably
so used to getting their own way and so confident in their own ability to
arm twist that my guess is they'd take it all the way instead of backing
down and also they'd run sobbing to the media about how nasty LU is causing
everyone so much hassle by not giving in to their demands. And the broadcast
media generally being a load of left wing teapots and naturally sympathetic to
anyone sticking it to the man would probably let that claim pass without too
much scrutiny.

That's similar to my initial thoughts. However, being generous, I can
imagine the potentially disorientating effect of operating a train in
a tunnel for lengthy periods of time, and the danger of going into
'auto-pilot' especially when the platforms are for the most part on
one side of the train.

I suppose, but IMO if you're awake enough to open the doors in the first
place you should be awake enough to know where the platform is.

B2003

It really does beggar belief that ANYONE could regard a train driver
opening the doors on the wrong side at a station (or in between
stations or whatever) as being anything other than in gross
dereliction of duty and liable to instant dismissal, in the same way
that a bus driver who drove the wrong way up a dual carriageway
because he was too bone idle to check the direction of traffic flow
would (hopefully) inevitably find himself!

That Brother Crow has the gall to make an issue of this shows that he
has no confidence in his members' ability to do what they are paid so
handsomely to do (i.e. drive a train and open the doors at the correct
places). If that is the sort of people that L.U.L. is employing to
drive trains, then the sooner the entire system is automated and
driverless the better!

Marc.

On Apr 22, 6:54�pm, " wrote:
On Apr 22, 2:02 pm, wrote:





On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:02:16 -0700 (PDT)

Mizter T wrote:
You think a big showdown might have worked? Interesting. If so then
any reason to suggest why it wouldn't work now?

Worked with the miners. A few months of trouble prevented us having power
cuts throughout the 80s like the *******s inflicted on us in the years
prior to the strike.

It might work now but it would be a lot harder because the RMT are probably
so used to getting their own way and so confident in their own ability to
arm twist that my guess is they'd take it all the way instead of backing
down and also they'd run sobbing to the media about how nasty LU is causing
everyone so much hassle by not giving in to their demands. And the broadcast
media generally being a load of left wing teapots and naturally sympathetic to
anyone sticking it to the man would probably let that claim pass without too
much scrutiny.

That's similar to my initial thoughts. However, being generous, I can
imagine the potentially disorientating effect of operating a train in
a tunnel for lengthy periods of time, and the danger of going into
'auto-pilot' especially when the platforms are for the most part on
one side of the train.

I suppose, but IMO if you're awake enough to open the doors in the first
place you should be awake enough to know where the platform is.

B2003

It really does beggar belief that ANYONE could regard a train driver
opening the doors on the wrong side at a station (or in between
stations or whatever) as being anything other than in gross
dereliction of duty and liable to instant dismissal, in the same way
that a bus driver who drove the wrong way up a dual carriageway
because he was too bone idle to check the direction of traffic flow
would (hopefully) inevitably find himself!

That Brother Crow has the gall to make an issue of this shows that he
has no confidence in his members' ability to do what they are paid so
handsomely to do (i.e. drive a train and open the doors at the correct
places). If that is the sort of people that L.U.L. is employing to
drive trains, then the sooner the entire system is automated and
driverless the better!

Marc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I thought that the Victoria Line WAS already automated, and
that the driver simply presses a button when the train is ready to
depart and everything else - acceleration/deceleration and presumably
door-opening is automated. What's Crow worried about - that his
incompetent members might override that and deliberately open doors on
the wrong side?!

Marc.

On Apr 22, 6:57*pm, " wrote:

On Apr 22, 6:54 pm, " wrote:

On Apr 22, 2:02 pm, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:02:16 -0700 (PDT)

Mizter T wrote:
You think a big showdown might have worked? Interesting. If so then
any reason to suggest why it wouldn't work now?

Worked with the miners. A few months of trouble prevented us having power
cuts throughout the 80s like the *******s inflicted on us in the years
prior to the strike.

It might work now but it would be a lot harder because the RMT are probably
so used to getting their own way and so confident in their own ability to
arm twist that my guess is they'd take it all the way instead of backing
down and also they'd run sobbing to the media about how nasty LU is causing
everyone so much hassle by not giving in to their demands. And the broadcast
media generally being a load of left wing teapots and naturally sympathetic to
anyone sticking it to the man would probably let that claim pass without too
much scrutiny.

That's similar to my initial thoughts. However, being generous, I can
imagine the potentially disorientating effect of operating a train in
a tunnel for lengthy periods of time, and the danger of going into
'auto-pilot' especially when the platforms are for the most part on
one side of the train.

I suppose, but IMO if you're awake enough to open the doors in the first
place you should be awake enough to know where the platform is.

B2003

It really does beggar belief that ANYONE could regard a train driver
opening the doors on the wrong side at a station (or in between
stations or whatever) as being anything other than in gross
dereliction of duty and liable to instant dismissal, in the same way
that a bus driver who drove the wrong way up a dual carriageway
because he was too bone idle to check the direction of traffic flow
would (hopefully) inevitably find himself!

That Brother Crow has the gall to make an issue of this shows that he
has no confidence in his members' ability to do what they are paid so
handsomely to do (i.e. drive a train and open the doors at the correct
places). If that is the sort of people that L.U.L. is employing to
drive trains, then the sooner the entire system is automated and
driverless the better!

Marc.

Actually, I thought that the Victoria Line WAS already automated, and
that the driver simply presses a button when the train is ready to
depart and everything else - acceleration/deceleration and presumably
door-opening is automated. What's Crow worried about - that his
incompetent members might override that and deliberately open doors on
the wrong side?!

Marc.

Why worry about finding out the facts when you can just have a rant eh?

On Apr 22, 6:57*pm, " wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:54 pm, " wrote:





On Apr 22, 2:02 pm, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:02:16 -0700 (PDT)

Mizter T wrote:
You think a big showdown might have worked? Interesting. If so then
any reason to suggest why it wouldn't work now?

Worked with the miners. A few months of trouble prevented us having power
cuts throughout the 80s like the *******s inflicted on us in the years
prior to the strike.

It might work now but it would be a lot harder because the RMT are probably
so used to getting their own way and so confident in their own ability to
arm twist that my guess is they'd take it all the way instead of backing
down and also they'd run sobbing to the media about how nasty LU is causing
everyone so much hassle by not giving in to their demands. And the broadcast
media generally being a load of left wing teapots and naturally sympathetic to
anyone sticking it to the man would probably let that claim pass without too
much scrutiny.

That's similar to my initial thoughts. However, being generous, I can
imagine the potentially disorientating effect of operating a train in
a tunnel for lengthy periods of time, and the danger of going into
'auto-pilot' especially when the platforms are for the most part on
one side of the train.

I suppose, but IMO if you're awake enough to open the doors in the first
place you should be awake enough to know where the platform is.

B2003

It really does beggar belief that ANYONE could regard a train driver
opening the doors on the wrong side at a station (or in between
stations or whatever) as being anything other than in gross
dereliction of duty and liable to instant dismissal, in the same way
that a bus driver who drove the wrong way up a dual carriageway
because he was too bone idle to check the direction of traffic flow
would (hopefully) inevitably find himself!

That Brother Crow has the gall to make an issue of this shows that he
has no confidence in his members' ability to do what they are paid so
handsomely to do (i.e. drive a train and open the doors at the correct
places). If that is the sort of people that L.U.L. is employing to
drive trains, then the sooner the entire system is automated and
driverless the better!

Marc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Actually, I thought that the Victoria Line WAS already automated, and
that the driver simply presses a button when the train is ready to
depart and everything else - acceleration/deceleration and presumably
door-opening is automated. What's Crow worried about - that his
incompetent members might override that and deliberately open doors on
the wrong side?!


No, they have to open and close the doors. This is 1960s ATO, not the
DLR.

The Victoria Line has the tracks crossed at some stations, resulting
in the platform not being on the same side as at nearly every other
station on a very boring and similar-looking line. This may have
something to do with the problem.

It probably doesn't take long to notice having reached for the wrong
button and immediately close the doors before they've gone far.

"MIG" wrote in message

On Apr 22, 6:57 pm, " wrote:

Actually, I thought that the Victoria Line WAS already automated, and
that the driver simply presses a button when the train is ready to
depart and everything else - acceleration/deceleration and presumably
door-opening is automated. What's Crow worried about - that his
incompetent members might override that and deliberately open doors
on the wrong side?!


No, they have to open and close the doors. This is 1960s ATO, not the
DLR.

The Victoria Line has the tracks crossed at some stations, resulting
in the platform not being on the same side as at nearly every other
station on a very boring and similar-looking line. This may have
something to do with the problem.

It probably doesn't take long to notice having reached for the wrong
button and immediately close the doors before they've gone far.

As the Victoria line is entirely underground, I assume that even if the
doors on the wrong side are opened, the tunnel wall will be near enough
that no-one could actually fall very far (as oppose to the empty space
on a surface line platform). So this feature is presumably less
important on this line than any other?

Recliner wrote:


As the Victoria line is entirely underground, I assume that even if the
doors on the wrong side are opened, the tunnel wall will be near enough
that no-one could actually fall very far (as oppose to the empty space
on a surface line platform). So this feature is presumably less
important on this line than any other?


If you're squeezed against the door on that side because people are
waiting on the other side of the vestibule to get off I think you'd be
rather perturbed if the doors opened behind you and deposited you
against the tunnel wall.

Tom

"Tom Barry" wrote in message

Recliner wrote:


As the Victoria line is entirely underground, I assume that even if
the doors on the wrong side are opened, the tunnel wall will be near
enough that no-one could actually fall very far (as oppose to the
empty space on a surface line platform). So this feature is
presumably less important on this line than any other?


If you're squeezed against the door on that side because people are
waiting on the other side of the vestibule to get off I think you'd be
rather perturbed if the doors opened behind you and deposited you
against the tunnel wall.

For sure, it wouldn't be much fun, but you probably wouldn't suffer much
more than a dirty shoulder.

On Apr 22, 10:19*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
For sure, it wouldn't be much fun, but you probably wouldn't suffer much
more than a dirty shoulder.

Or, if there's enough space for your feet to slip down, 420 volts from
the third rail (which is always* on the side opposite the platform).

U

(* pedant bait ahoy)

On Apr 22, 10:57*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:

On Apr 22, 10:19*pm, "Recliner" wrote:

For sure, it wouldn't be much fun, but you probably wouldn't suffer much
more than a dirty shoulder.

Or, if there's enough space for your feet to slip down, 420 volts from
the third rail (which is always* on the side opposite the platform).

U

(* pedant bait ahoy)

Agree that there's always the chance that some sort of slippage could
happen especially in a crowded train.

I wonder if one could generalise and say that trains operators are
perhaps more likely to be fully alert during the rush hour and so
opening the doors on the wrong side would be less likely to happen
then?

In article ,
Mr Thant wrote:
Or, if there's enough space for your feet to slip down, 420 volts from
the third rail (which is always* on the side opposite the platform).

(* pedant bait ahoy)

Barking, I tell you. And Stratford soon.

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