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What is the average speed on the Paris Metro anyway? It can't be very high.

Considerably lower than London (although "average" is a poorly defined
term in this context).

Line 14's average of 40 km/h was claimed to be twice the speed of the
rest of the Paris metro. I believe LU has an average of 33 km/h over the
whole system - although this includes non-stop runs over quite long
lengths of the Met and Piccadilly.
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Paul Terry

wrote on 29 April 2009 19:01:49 ...
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Whenever the (timetabled) service interval is more than 4 minutes. They
can optionally drive manually if the intervals are between 2 and 4
minutes, but my impression is that few do so.

But there is no set time when they are required to manually operate their
trains to stay in practice, as is reportedly the case in Vienna?

As I said earlier, it's when the trains are timetabled to run more than
4 minutes apart, which in practice means in the evenings, and perhaps at
other times in summer when the service is less frequent. [Info from
Brian Hardy's Paris Metro Handbook, 3rd edition]

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Richard J.
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What is the average speed on the Paris Metro anyway? It can't be very
high.

Considerably lower than London (although "average" is a poorly defined
term in this context).

I'm not surprised. It does feel that Paris Metro train can push it up to
about 50 kilometres between some stations, based on what I saw, albeit not
for very long.

Line 14's average of 40 km/h was claimed to be twice the speed of the rest
of the Paris metro.

I find it hard to believe that the speed between Châtelet and Gare de Lyon
is 40 kilometres, considering the distance between the two points --
probably closer to 70-80 kilometres.

I believe LU has an average of 33 km/h over the whole system - although
this includes non-stop runs over quite long lengths of the Met and
Piccadilly.

There've been discussions like this before. I believe that the Piccadilly
line can go upwards of 45 miles when it is passing Turham Green, and I have
certainly seen Central Line trains not going slowly on the western
extremities.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Mr Thant wrote:

On 29 Apr, 10:42, Ian Jelf wrote:
It's a long trine since I've been but the **vastly** over engineered and
little used infrastructure was incredible.

In Manchester, as part of the 2002 Commonwealth games site, they built
several major tram underpasses but didn't bother building the tram
line to go with them, which has onyl just now got proper funding:
http://tinyurl.com/d74bss

That looks like a brilliant cycling route!

tom

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Paul Terry wrote on 29 April 2009 19:36:48 ...
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What is the average speed on the Paris Metro anyway? It can't be very high.

Considerably lower than London (although "average" is a poorly defined
term in this context).

Line 14's average of 40 km/h was claimed to be twice the speed of the
rest of the Paris metro. I believe LU has an average of 33 km/h over the
whole system - although this includes non-stop runs over quite long
lengths of the Met and Piccadilly.

I've just compared two reasonably similar runs in London and Paris, both
of 8.55 km, and both using late 1970s steel-wheeled stock on inner-city
routes, departing tomorrow at midday:

London: District Line, Gloucester Road to Tower Hill (11 stops, not
including Blackfriars)
19 minutes (average 27 kph)

Paris: Line 8, Reuilly-Diderot to Ecole Militaire (via Bastille, Opéra,
Invalides) (17 stops)
23 minutes (average 22.3 kph)

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Richard J.
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wrote on 29 April 2009 22:30:04 ...
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What is the average speed on the Paris Metro anyway? It can't be very
high.
Considerably lower than London (although "average" is a poorly defined
term in this context).

I'm not surprised. It does feel that Paris Metro train can push it up to
about 50 kilometres between some stations, based on what I saw, albeit not
for very long.

Maximum speeds of all Metro trains are between 70 and 100 kph.

Line 14's average of 40 km/h was claimed to be twice the speed of the rest
of the Paris metro.

I find it hard to believe that the speed between Châtelet and Gare de Lyon
is 40 kilometres, considering the distance between the two points --
probably closer to 70-80 kilometres.

Average speeds are end-to end times including station stops. The
maximum speed of the MP89 stock on Line 14 is 80 kph.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Apr 29, 11:31*am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 29 Apr, 10:42, Ian Jelf wrote:

It's a long trine since I've been but the **vastly** over engineered and
little used infrastructure was incredible.

In Manchester, as part of the 2002 Commonwealth games site, they built
several major tram underpasses but didn't bother building the tram
line to go with them, which has onyl just now got proper funding:http://tinyurl.com/d74bss

On another unbuilt branch, there's also this enormous, speculatively
built elevated station:http://www.gifford.uk.com/ProjectProfiles.asp?id=28

And a little way along the line, an elaborate finback bridge what I
can't find a picture of. Again, the branch itself has only just been
authorised.

(and of course there's the Thameslink ECML tunnels, which will sit
empty for at least 10 years. And Stratford International, which will
potentially never handle international passengers)

U

Down my way there's the platform extensions "for Networker" since
about 1993 that will never be used for twelve-coach trains, but
unfortunately have been signalled so that it's the end of the platform
near the entrance, with the benches and PIS, that never gets used,
while trains rush to the far end.

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There've been discussions like this before. I believe that the Piccadilly
line can go upwards of 45 miles when it is passing Turham Green, and I have
certainly seen Central Line trains not going slowly on the western
extremities.
I know nothing of modern stock but the previous 62 stock above ground
with the "Flag up." had the top speed of 60, though with the power
handle off I have seen speeds of 65mph whilst coasting down to Debden.
--
Clive

In message , Richard J.
writes
Maximum speeds of all Metro trains are between 70 and 100 kph.
BART is 75 mph or 121 kph.
--
Clive

In message
, Mr
Thant writes
And Stratford International, which will
potentially never handle international passengers)
Apart from when the Olympics are staged.
--
Clive