On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:16:54PM +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
The difference is that Sinn Fein aren't allowed to take their seats at
Westminster, whereas No2EU would be allowed to.
No Sinn Fein are allowed. They refuse to do so because they believe taking
their seats would be recognising the legitimacy of the UK to govern Northern
Ireland.

No, they're not allowed to. That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen. If
they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.

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wrote:
Not content with creating yet another pointless strike on the victoria
line about bugger all, this dyed in the wool ****** now seems to have
political ambitions over and above herding a bunch of thick militants
on to picket lines. Perhaps he sees the chaos he causes on LUL as a
stepping stone to the chaos he could cause in a parliament somewhe

http://no2eu.com/bobsblog.html

Is it about ego? Socialism is a hatred of human potential and a love of
waste. Getting Londoners to spend as much of their life creating nothing as
possible is Crow's pleasure, regardless of any ego issues.

David Cantrell wrote:

No, they're not allowed to. That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen. If
they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.

Wrong. Avowed republicans can and do take the oath - the late Tony Banks was
notorious for doing so with his fingers crossed and in the Scottish
Parliament the Scottish Socialists did so with protests as well. Mark
Durkan, the SDLP leader, is another avowed anti-monarchist and he takes the
oath. That none of them have ever been charged shows how it is not a
barrier.

Irish republicanism is not just about replacing the monarch with an elected
head of state but about creating a separate independent Irish state. Irish
independence originally began because the Sinn Fein MPs elected in 1918
boycotted Westminster and set up their own Dail. The modern day Provisional
Sinn Fein maintains this tradition.

"John Rowland" wrote:
wrote:
Not content with creating yet another pointless strike on the victoria
line about bugger all, this dyed in the wool ****** now seems to have
political ambitions over and above herding a bunch of thick militants
on to picket lines. Perhaps he sees the chaos he causes on LUL as a
stepping stone to the chaos he could cause in a parliament somewhe

http://no2eu.com/bobsblog.html

Is it about ego? Socialism is a hatred of human potential and a love of
waste. Getting Londoners to spend as much of their life creating nothing as
possible is Crow's pleasure, regardless of any ego issues.


That can be summed up in two words. Class War.

It's Bob Crow's raison d'etre. :-(

On May 22, 3:43*pm, "John Rowland"
wrote:

wrote:
Not content with creating yet another pointless strike on the victoria
line about bugger all, this dyed in the wool ****** now seems to have
political ambitions over and above herding a bunch of thick militants
on to picket lines. Perhaps he sees the chaos he causes on LUL as a
stepping stone to the chaos he could cause in a parliament somewhe

http://no2eu.com/bobsblog.html

Is it about ego? Socialism is a hatred of human potential and a love of
waste. Getting Londoners to spend as much of their life creating nothing as
possible is Crow's pleasure, regardless of any ego issues.


That first sentence is about as totally and utterly ridiculous as they
come. But you know that already.

Mizter T wrote:
On May 22, 3:43 pm, "John Rowland"
wrote:

wrote:
Not content with creating yet another pointless strike on the
victoria line about bugger all, this dyed in the wool ****** now
seems to have political ambitions over and above herding a bunch of
thick militants on to picket lines. Perhaps he sees the chaos he
causes on LUL as a stepping stone to the chaos he could cause in a
parliament somewhe

http://no2eu.com/bobsblog.html

Is it about ego? Socialism is a hatred of human potential and a love
of waste. Getting Londoners to spend as much of their life creating
nothing as possible is Crow's pleasure, regardless of any ego issues.


That first sentence is about as totally and utterly ridiculous as they
come. But you know that already.

Well, that's me refuted!

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:12:45PM +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
No, they're not allowed to. That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen. If
they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.
Wrong. Avowed republicans can and do take the oath

Not honestly they can't.

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On Tue, 26 May 2009, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:12:45PM +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
No, they're not allowed to. That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen. If
they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.
Wrong. Avowed republicans can and do take the oath

Not honestly they can't.

So?

Tony Banks has been mentioned as someone who took the oath with his
fingers crossed, and happily served as an MP afterwards. He was happy to
do it, and the Commons authorities were happy for him to do it. If Sinn
Fein were actually interested in being MPs, they could do it too.

tom

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On May 26, 5:06*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2009, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:12:45PM +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

David Cantrell wrote:
No, they're not allowed to. *That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen.
If they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.

Wrong. Avowed republicans can and do take the oath

Not honestly they can't.

So?

Tony Banks has been mentioned as someone who took the oath with his
fingers crossed, and happily served as an MP afterwards. He was happy to
do it, and the Commons authorities were happy for him to do it. If Sinn
Fein were actually interested in being MPs, they could do it too.


Sinn Fein are deeply interested in being MPs, or rather TDs - but in
an Assembly of 'all-Ireland', not in Westminster.

On Tue, 26 May 2009, Mizter T wrote:

On May 26, 5:06*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2009, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:12:45PM +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

David Cantrell wrote:
No, they're not allowed to. *That's because to take your seat at
Westminster you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the queen.
If they were to do so they would obviously be lieing.

Wrong. Avowed republicans can and do take the oath

Not honestly they can't.

So?

Tony Banks has been mentioned as someone who took the oath with his
fingers crossed, and happily served as an MP afterwards. He was happy to
do it, and the Commons authorities were happy for him to do it. If Sinn
Fein were actually interested in being MPs, they could do it too.

Sinn Fein are deeply interested in being MPs, or rather TDs - but in an
Assembly of 'all-Ireland', not in Westminster.

Well they should have read the forms a bit more carefully before standing,
then!

tom

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