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James Bentall October 11th 03 06:42 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Customer services is permanently engaged or busy and I can't find the
information on their website.

Does anyone know if it is permitted to take bikes on the Thameslink
service offpeak between Kings Cross Thameslink and London Bridge? I've
got to get 5 12 year olds and bikes across London, and I don't really
fancy cycling with them! I know I can put them on the circle line, but
dread to think how long it would take to go half way around it...

Cheers,

James

Graham J October 11th 03 08:46 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Customer services is permanently engaged or busy and I can't find the
information on their website.


It would be nice if it were first hand information on their website but
failing that http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tocs/thameslink.htm#6 ought to be
reliable information.

Does anyone know if it is permitted to take bikes on the Thameslink
service offpeak between Kings Cross Thameslink and London Bridge? I've
got to get 5 12 year olds and bikes across London, and I don't really
fancy cycling with them! I know I can put them on the circle line, but
dread to think how long it would take to go half way around it...


It seems it is indeed allowed.


G.



Helen Deborah Vecht October 11th 03 01:54 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
(Huge)typed


AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.


Oh yes they are! Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District and the Circle line. They are allowed on
the overground sections of tube lines off-peak.

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Dave Newt October 11th 03 02:47 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

(Huge)typed

AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.


Oh yes they are! Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District and the Circle line. They are allowed on
the overground sections of tube lines off-peak.


Detailed list he

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/bicycle.asp

Spyke October 11th 03 04:01 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In message , Huge
writes

Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District


All of those I understand. The trains are, well, train sized.

and the Circle line.


This I do not understand.

The Circle line uses exactly the same type of train (C Stock) as the
Hammersmith & City and some District services. Also, the Circle shares
pretty much all of its track and all its stations, with at least one of
Met, District and H&C.
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Richard J. October 11th 03 04:10 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Huge wrote:
Helen Deborah Vecht writes:
(Huge)typed


AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.


Oh yes they are!


Are they? That's a pity. Why should people be allowed to transport
large, sharp, oily, dirty pieces of machinery for free in confined
spaces with fare-paying members of the public?

Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria,
Jubilee & Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the
Metropolitan, Hammersmith & City, District


All of those I understand. The trains are, well, train sized.


But so are the trains on the Circle line, which are identical to those on
H&C and some on the District. They've got more standing space (or space for
bikes) than the Metropolitan trains.
--
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James Bentall October 11th 03 07:26 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article ,
"Graham J" wrote:

Customer services is permanently engaged or busy and I can't find the
information on their website.


It would be nice if it were first hand information on their website but
failing that http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tocs/thameslink.htm#6 ought to be
reliable information.


I had seen that, and noted that it talked about 'trains that arrived in
London', but didn't necessarily talk about going through London! The
consensus seems to be that it will be ok though - thank you to everyone
for their help.

James

Clive R Robertson October 11th 03 07:42 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:54:24 +0100, "Steve Naïve"
wrote:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote in
:

(Huge)typed


AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.


Oh yes they are! Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District and the Circle line. They are allowed on
the overground sections of tube lines off-peak.


And not allowed on DLR, despite what the LU barrier staff say at Stratford,
even though you check with them before buying a ticket and need to get to
Greenwich.

Nor on Tramlink.

Note that restrictions do not apply to *folded* bicycles. I personally
(as a Brompton owner) would suggest using a cover in the rush hours,
to avoid negative feelings from other passengers. (I have a cover, but
don't bother with it off-peak.)

Regards,

Clive

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Roland Perry October 12th 03 10:47 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article , Huge
writes
Does anyone know if it is permitted to take bikes on the Thameslink
service offpeak between Kings Cross Thameslink and London Bridge?


There are stairs/escalators to get to the street at both stations. Will
your kids be able to carry their bikes up/down them?


There's just a long ramp down from the platforms at London Bridge. No
stairs if you exit the main station entrance (into the bus station).

Access at KX-TL is a nightmare, though. Assuming the OP is arriving at
KX mainline by WAGN, it's a long walk on narrow pavements and very busy
roads, congested station entrance, then two flights of stairs down to
the platform (no lift or escalator).
--
"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"

Robin May October 12th 03 12:01 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
(Huge) wrote the following in:


Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria,
Jubilee & Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the
Metropolitan, Hammersmith & City, District


All of those I understand. The trains are, well, train sized.

and the Circle line.


This I do not understand.


The Circle line trains are pretty much the same size as the District
and Metropolitan line trains, and are the same trains as the
Hammersmith and City.

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Paul Weaver October 12th 03 12:31 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:47:26 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:
Access at KX-TL is a nightmare, though. Assuming the OP is arriving at KX
mainline by WAGN, it's a long walk on narrow pavements and very busy
roads, congested station entrance, then two flights of stairs down to the
platform (no lift or escalator).


Indeed, When I went from Padington to Stansted, national rail
enquireies told me to go via farringdon which is an easier change

Roland Perry October 12th 03 01:03 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article , Paul Weaver
writes
When I went from Padington to Stansted, national rail
enquireies told me to go via farringdon which is an easier change


I'm struggling to understand how either Kings Cross Thameslink, or
Farringdon, is on the way from Paddington to Stansted.
--
"now, the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing"

Paul Weaver October 12th 03 01:35 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:03:41 -0400, Roland Perry wrote:

In article , Paul Weaver
writes
When I went from Padington to Stansted, national rail enquireies told me
to go via farringdon which is an easier change


I'm struggling to understand how either Kings Cross Thameslink, or
Farringdon, is on the way from Paddington to Stansted.


Luton even :D

Ian Jelf October 13th 03 08:46 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article , Dave Newt
writes
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

(Huge)typed

AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.


Oh yes they are! Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District and the Circle line. They are allowed on
the overground sections of tube lines off-peak.


Detailed list he

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/bicycle.asp


I've never understood the specific ban on bicycles on the Northern Line
between Colindale and Hendon Central, (obliquely) referred to on the
above site.

Anyone know the reason?
--
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London & the Heart of England
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Matthew Balyuzi October 13th 03 10:38 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Ian Jelf wrote:
I've never understood the specific ban on bicycles on the Northern Line
between Colindale and Hendon Central, (obliquely) referred to on the
above site.

Anyone know the reason?


Presumably because the line is in a tube tunnel between these stations?

Matt


Helen Deborah Vecht October 13th 03 11:13 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
Ian Jelf typed


In article , Dave Newt
writes
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

(Huge)typed

AFAIK, bicycles are not allowed on the Circle Line.

Oh yes they are! Bicycles are not allowed on the _underground_ sections
of 'deep tube' lines (Northern, Central, Piccadilly, Victoria, Jubilee &
Bakerloo) at any time but are allowed off-peak on the Metropolitan,
Hammersmith & City, District and the Circle line. They are allowed on
the overground sections of tube lines off-peak.


Detailed list he

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/faq/bicycle.asp


I've never understood the specific ban on bicycles on the Northern Line
between Colindale and Hendon Central, (obliquely) referred to on the
above site.


Anyone know the reason?


A tunnel, stating about 100m north of Hendon Central station. Bikes are
banned in tunnels, innit?

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

James Bentall October 17th 03 09:28 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article ,
"Jeremy Parker" wrote:

"James Bentall" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know if it is permitted to take bikes on the Thameslink
service offpeak between Kings Cross Thameslink and London Bridge?


It is, but watch for Thameslink being closed down on weekends between
Kentish Town and Blackfriars until mid Dec. The new timetable
doesn't even go beyond Dec. owing to much engineering work for Kings
X, Thameslink 2000, etc.

Actually, I don't think it would be too bad getting the 12 year olds
to cycle. Easier than taking them on the Circle Line, I would think


Not convinced by that! I've done too much cycling across central London
and had too many near misses to even think about taking children cycling
there- particularly getting across the river.

Thanks for the info about the weekend closures though - that will be
useful to remember.

Cheers,

James

Colin Rosenstiel October 19th 03 01:04 AM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article ,
(James Bentall) wrote:

In article ,
"Jeremy Parker" wrote:

"James Bentall" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know if it is permitted to take bikes on the Thameslink
service offpeak between Kings Cross Thameslink and London Bridge?


It is, but watch for Thameslink being closed down on weekends between
Kentish Town and Blackfriars until mid Dec. The new timetable
doesn't even go beyond Dec. owing to much engineering work for Kings
X, Thameslink 2000, etc.

Actually, I don't think it would be too bad getting the 12 year olds
to cycle. Easier than taking them on the Circle Line, I would think


Not convinced by that! I've done too much cycling across central London
and had too many near misses to even think about taking children
cycling there- particularly getting across the river.

Thanks for the info about the weekend closures though - that will be
useful to remember.


King's Cross to London Bridge should be a doddle on a bike at a weekend.
Traffic in the City is very light then. I've cycled between King's Cross
and Blackfriars Road many times.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

James Bentall October 21st 03 02:46 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article
,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(James Bentall) wrote:

In article ,
"Jeremy Parker" wrote:

"James Bentall" wrote in message
...
Actually, I don't think it would be too bad getting the 12 year olds
to cycle. Easier than taking them on the Circle Line, I would think


Not convinced by that! I've done too much cycling across central London
and had too many near misses to even think about taking children
cycling there- particularly getting across the river.

Thanks for the info about the weekend closures though - that will be
useful to remember.


King's Cross to London Bridge should be a doddle on a bike at a weekend.
Traffic in the City is very light then. I've cycled between King's Cross
and Blackfriars Road many times.


Unfortunately we're going at 10:30am on a weekday morning....

James

Terry Harper October 21st 03 08:04 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
"James Bentall" wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

King's Cross to London Bridge should be a doddle on a bike at a weekend.
Traffic in the City is very light then. I've cycled between King's Cross
and Blackfriars Road many times.


Unfortunately we're going at 10:30am on a weekday morning....


Well, in that case you are outside the prohibited hours for bikes on
Thameslink, so should be OK.
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Colin Rosenstiel October 21st 03 09:50 PM

Bikes on Thameslink
 
In article ,
(James Bentall) wrote:

In article
,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(James Bentall) wrote:

In article ,
"Jeremy Parker" wrote:

"James Bentall" wrote in message
...
Actually, I don't think it would be too bad getting the 12 year
olds to cycle. Easier than taking them on the Circle Line, I
would think

Not convinced by that! I've done too much cycling across central
London and had too many near misses to even think about taking
children cycling there- particularly getting across the river.

Thanks for the info about the weekend closures though - that will
be useful to remember.


King's Cross to London Bridge should be a doddle on a bike at a
weekend. Traffic in the City is very light then. I've cycled between
King's Cross and Blackfriars Road many times.


Unfortunately we're going at 10:30am on a weekday morning....


Sorry, I thought you were referring to Thameslink weekend closures.

--
Colin Rosenstiel


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