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Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. ……………………………….................. ……………………………….................. John Burke WRUG |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
wrote in message ... From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. ……………………………….................. ……………………………….................. John Burke WRUG Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Bet the residents nearby will not be too happy. Also trains "Semi Fast Watford Junction" trains :) |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
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Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 28 May, 21:47, wrote:
Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. Not surprised - but very happy - to hear this. I noticed from the Regional Funding Allocation statement that CRL funding was due to be spent by 2013/4 instead of 2017/8 as proposed at the end of 2008. That said, what chance the Tories ditching all this when they attain power nationally next year? THC |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
wrote in message ... On 28 May, 21:47, wrote: Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. Not surprised - but very happy - to hear this. I noticed from the Regional Funding Allocation statement that CRL funding was due to be spent by 2013/4 instead of 2017/8 as proposed at the end of 2008. That said, what chance the Tories ditching all this when they attain power nationally next year? THC Why would they? It makes sense for the local area? Anyways Watford is usually a Labour voting area. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes All this pre-supposes such an enquiry will rule in favour. If a public enquiry goes against, it won't happen. And the Cassiobury Park area - where Watford Met. lies - strikes me as an area that might have quite a lot of nimbies in it. -- Nick |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
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wrote in message ... On 28 May, 21:47, wrote: Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. Not surprised - but very happy - to hear this. I noticed from the Regional Funding Allocation statement that CRL funding was due to be spent by 2013/4 instead of 2017/8 as proposed at the end of 2008. That said, what chance the Tories ditching all this when they attain power nationally next year? THC Why would they? It makes sense for the local area? Anyways Watford is usually a Labour voting area. But maybe not in 2010. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
wrote in message ... Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes All this pre-supposes such an enquiry will rule in favour. If a public enquiry goes against, it won't happen. And the Cassiobury Park area - where Watford Met. lies - strikes me as an area that might have quite a lot of nimbies in it. -- Nick How long would it take to travel to Watford Junction from Croxley? |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 28 May, 22:16, wrote:
wrote in message ... On 28 May, 21:47, wrote: Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. Not surprised - but very happy - to hear this. *I noticed from the Regional Funding Allocation statement that CRL funding was due to be spent by 2013/4 instead of 2017/8 as proposed at the end of 2008. That said, what chance the Tories ditching all this when they attain power nationally next year? THC Why would they? It makes sense for the local area? Anyways Watford is usually a Labour voting area. Big fat public spending cuts heading your way and mine real soon, that's why. Capital projects, in addition to revenue spend, won't be safe. A project like this, which failed to get built during Labour's golden years, is hardly likely to escape a Tory axe. Watford has a Lib Dem Mayor and returned a Tory for 18 years before Claire Ward was elected in 1997 - a classic swing seat. I'll eat my hat if she's returned next year. The only potential saviour for this is that Hertfordshire CC, the project sponsors, are solidly Tory. Mind you, aren't most top-tier local authorities these days? THC |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 10:19*pm, wrote: Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes All this pre-supposes such an enquiry will rule in favour. If a public enquiry goes against, it won't happen. And the Cassiobury Park area - where Watford Met. lies - strikes me as an area that might have quite a lot of nimbies in it. Er, "imbies" surely - the problem for Cassiobury Park residents is that they'd be *losing* their Met line station altogether, and instead they'd have to troop south to either the new Ascot Road or the re- opened Watford West stations. The new construction would be relatively minimal - a link from the existing line near Baldwins Lane across Watford Road to reach the existing alignment across the Grand Union Canal (the bridge still being existent) and on east. I'm not au fait with the exact proposals for this link, and I'm sure some people would complain (particularly so if the pub on the roundabout gets it), but the new link is of such a small distance that I don't think it would lead to any particularly orchestrated campaign against it. There might be some complaints from people along the course of the existing alignment opposing it being reopened, but that would weigh against the convenience of a new station nearby so I wouldn't expect this to be a problem. I'd think the only potential for people getting really upset would be caused by the loss of Watford Met station - and said people are indeed likely to be the Cassiobury Park folk. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 9:47*pm, wrote: From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. ……………………………….................. ……………………………….................. John Burke WRUG Interesting. I remain somewhat sceptical of the Croxley Link actually happening, but perhaps my scepticism has melted a bit. As others have said, it'll have to compete against everything else for funding once Cameron's lot get in in a year's time. Of course, one of the ways of competing for that funding is by getting as many optimistic messages out there as possible, and creating a sense that this project is indeed possible. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 9:47*pm, wrote:
From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. ……………………………….................. ……………………………….................. John Burke WRUG Don't lets get too excited kids! This has been happening for about 25 years now. The words project, proposed and planned should tell you everything you need to know. Rich Consultants bank accounts 4, Railway Passengers 0, after a late kick off and extra time... Rich |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 28 May, 23:06, Mizter T wrote:
The new construction would be relatively minimal - a link from the existing line near Baldwins Lane across Watford Road to reach the existing alignment across the Grand Union Canal (the bridge still being existent) and on east. I'm not au fait with the exact proposals for this link, and I'm sure some people would complain (particularly so if the pub on the roundabout gets it), but the new link is of such a small distance that I don't think it would lead to any particularly orchestrated campaign against it. The alignment to connect directly is built on and there's also a major height difference to overcome. The link will therefore start further east along the Met and join the Croxley branch south/east of the canal. It's a quarter of a mile, roughly the same distance as Shoreditch ELL (RIP) to the Broad Street Viaduct. Voici: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...16351&t=h&z=16 U |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 1:47*pm, wrote:
From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. We can but hope. I will believe it is happening when construction starts. This project has drug on for so long that I view it with some cynicism. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 1:58*pm, wrote:
Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Bet the residents nearby will not be too happy. Also trains "Semi Fast Watford Junction" trains :) The existing Met. Station, IIRC is next to Canonbury Park. I doubt many folks will be inconvenienced. Many, many more Metroland residents will gain the benefit of a main line connection. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 2:08*pm, wrote:
On 28 May, 21:47, wrote: Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. Not surprised - but very happy - to hear this. *I noticed from the Regional Funding Allocation statement that CRL funding was due to be spent by 2013/4 instead of 2017/8 as proposed at the end of 2008. That said, what chance the Tories ditching all this when they attain power nationally next year? Is Watford normally a Tory voting area? I suspect that it is. In which case, this has a small chance of going forward. That said I am not especially optimistic. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 1:58*pm, wrote:
Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Bet the residents nearby will not be too happy. Also trains "Semi Fast Watford Junction" trains :) The existing Met. Station, IIRC is next to Cassiobury Park. I doubt many folks will be inconvenienced. Many, many more Metroland residents will gain the benefit of a main line connection. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 3:21*pm, darkprince66
wrote: On May 28, 9:47*pm, wrote: From eWatford Observer, 2:19pm Thursday 28th May 2009 Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014' By Filip Hnizdo » A timetable and funding plan for the long-delayed Croxley Rail Link proposal has been drafted. Hertfordshire County Council has announced it hopes to have the £26million project complete by January 2014. The recently published East of England Regional Authority's funding advice document suggests a £119.5million government grant for the project. London Underground is set to contribute an additional £18.5million. The East of England Regional Authority indicated that the project would be delivered around 2017 but Hertfordshire County Council says it hopes to bring this date forward. Public consultations are planned for this summer with a Transport and Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. The rail project would link the Metropolitan Line on the London Underground with Watford Junction rail station with new stations being opened in Ascot Road and near the proposed Watford Health Campus and Vicarage Road Stadium. ……………………………….................. ……………………………….................. John Burke WRUG Don't lets get too excited kids! This has been happening for about 25 years now. The words project, proposed and planned should tell you everything you need to know. Rich Consultants bank accounts 4, Railway Passengers 0, after a late kick off and extra time... Sadly, I have to share that sentiment. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 3:06*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On May 28, 10:19*pm, wrote: Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes All this pre-supposes such an enquiry will rule in favour. If a public enquiry goes against, it won't happen. And the Cassiobury Park area - where Watford Met. lies - strikes me as an area that might have quite a lot of nimbies in it. Er, "imbies" surely - the problem for Cassiobury Park residents is that they'd be *losing* their Met line station altogether, and instead they'd have to troop south to either the new Ascot Road or the re- opened Watford West stations. The new construction would be relatively minimal - a link from the existing line near Baldwins Lane across Watford Road to reach the existing alignment across the Grand Union Canal (the bridge still being existent) and on east. I'm not au fait with the exact proposals for this link, and I'm sure some people would complain (particularly so if the pub on the roundabout gets it), but the new link is of such a small distance that I don't think it would lead to any particularly orchestrated campaign against it. There might be some complaints from people along the course of the existing alignment opposing it being reopened, but that would weigh against the convenience of a new station nearby so I wouldn't expect this to be a problem. Was the old Watford High St to Croxley route ever formerly closed? I had the feeling that it had its serviced reduced until it could be replace by a bus. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 28, 11:44*pm, Mr Thant wrote: On 28 May, 23:06, Mizter T wrote: The new construction would be relatively minimal - a link from the existing line near Baldwins Lane across Watford Road to reach the existing alignment across the Grand Union Canal (the bridge still being existent) and on east. I'm not au fait with the exact proposals for this link, and I'm sure some people would complain (particularly so if the pub on the roundabout gets it), but the new link is of such a small distance that I don't think it would lead to any particularly orchestrated campaign against it. The alignment to connect directly is built on and there's also a major height difference to overcome. The link will therefore start further east along the Met and join the Croxley branch south/east of the canal. It's a quarter of a mile, roughly the same distance as Shoreditch ELL (RIP) to the Broad Street Viaduct. Voici: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=...id=10601415660... Excellent, thanks for that. That seems like a very sensible alignment - I was wondering what the plan was, given the buildings that were in the way (hence comment about the pub!). The L shaped building north of the roundabout might be in the way, though you can't make an omelette etc. Looking at that alignment the danger of complaints might be more from the "nimcs", or rather "nomcs" (Not Over My Canal). Still, I can't help but think those capable of kicking up the biggest fuss would be those losing their service from Watford Met. Funny that you mention Shoreditch connection, as I was just thinking earlier on about the parallels between the ELLX project and this - obviously in most regards they're very very different, but in the sense of hooking up two previously unlinked railway alignments with a short but adventurous viaduct there are some similarities. (Also looking at the comment upthread about how the Tory controlled Herts CC might somehow ensure the required money gets extracted from Chancellor Osbourne put me in mind of Ken managing to wrench the ELLX money out of the Treasury.) |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
"1506" wrote Was the old Watford High St to Croxley route ever formerly closed? I had the feeling that it had its serviced reduced until it could be replace by a bus. It was eventually - after some time when it had been reduced to 1 train each way a day, in the early morning. Then this was bustituted (according to the timetable, but in practice taxistuted), and eventually formally closed. Even after formal closure someone reported being able to buy a ticket to Croxley Green out of a ticket machine somewhere. Peter |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
Last time I spoke to them, the Herts guys did seem unusually confident
and excited about this going ahead, even for a press office. That was back in March, and they were saying then that they were aiming for a 2015 completion. The next barrier it has to overcome is project entry status with the DfT which, if I remember, it is meant to be in the process of attaining as we speak. I'll drop Herts an email and see if they've got any news or dates associated with that yet. John Bull |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
Mizter T wrote:
On May 28, 10:19*pm, wrote: Works application set to be submitted in May next year. A public inquiry is proposed for February 2011. Thats excellent news! Does that mean the current Watford station will close? Yes All this pre-supposes such an enquiry will rule in favour. If a public enquiry goes against, it won't happen. And the Cassiobury Park area - where Watford Met. lies - strikes me as an area that might have quite a lot of nimbies in it. Er, "imbies" surely - the problem for Cassiobury Park residents is that they'd be *losing* their Met line station altogether, and instead they'd have to troop south to either the new Ascot Road or the re- opened Watford West stations. The new construction would be relatively minimal - a link from the existing line near Baldwins Lane across Watford Road to reach the existing alignment across the Grand Union Canal (the bridge still being existent) and on east. I'm not au fait with the exact proposals for this link, and I'm sure some people would complain (particularly so if the pub on the roundabout gets it), but the new link is of such a small distance that I don't think it would lead to any particularly orchestrated campaign against it. There might be some complaints from people along the course of the existing alignment opposing it being reopened, but that would weigh against the convenience of a new station nearby so I wouldn't expect this to be a problem. A thorough analysis, Mizter T. I'm finding it difficult to disagree. ;-) I'd think the only potential for people getting really upset would be caused by the loss of Watford Met station - and said people are indeed likely to be the Cassiobury Park folk. Friends who live close to the existing line and within a five minute walk of the station will be only too pleased to see it go. It is both noisy and visually intrusive. Their walk to the new station will still be fairly short, but they will be pleased not to hear the trains. I have no idea whether their views are representative, though. What is it about Underground trains and permanent way that makes them so noisy? The traction motors are loud, the brake compressors are loud and the noise of the rail joints and thumps over the pointwork are also loud. Is it just me, or are they intrinsically louder than on main line railways? |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
"Tony Polson" wrote in message
What is it about Underground trains and permanent way that makes them so noisy? The traction motors are loud, the brake compressors are loud and the noise of the rail joints and thumps over the pointwork are also loud. Is it just me, or are they intrinsically louder than on main line railways? I think thje A Stock is particularly annoying because of the hideous racket made by the compressors. The new S Stock should be a lot quieter. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 29, 1:58*am, wrote:
Last time I spoke to them, the Herts guys did seem unusually confident and excited about this going ahead, even for a press office. That was back in March, and they were saying then that they were aiming for a 2015 completion. The next barrier it has to overcome is project entry status with the DfT which, if I remember, it is meant to be in the process of attaining as we speak. I'll drop Herts an email and see if they've got any news or dates associated with that yet. Thanks, This is excellent news. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
"Recliner" wrote:
"Tony Polson" wrote in message What is it about Underground trains and permanent way that makes them so noisy? The traction motors are loud, the brake compressors are loud and the noise of the rail joints and thumps over the pointwork are also loud. Is it just me, or are they intrinsically louder than on main line railways? I think thje A Stock is particularly annoying because of the hideous racket made by the compressors. The new S Stock should be a lot quieter. Thanks. It really cannot be worse. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
"1506" wrote in message
... The existing Met. Station, IIRC is next to Cassiobury Park. I doubt many folks will be inconvenienced. Many, many more Metroland residents will gain the benefit of a main line connection. Will the Croxley Rail Link facilitate plans to re-extend the Bakerloo Line from Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford Junction? What's going with that, anyway? |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 30, 2:42*am, wrote:
"1506" wrote in message ... The existing Met. Station, IIRC is next to Cassiobury Park. *I doubt many folks will be inconvenienced. * Many, many more Metroland residents will gain the benefit of a main line connection. Will the Croxley Rail Link facilitate plans to re-extend the Bakerloo Line from Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford Junction? What's going with that, anyway? AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. I don't see any negative issues. But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On May 30, 2:42*am, wrote:
"1506" wrote in message ... The existing Met. Station, IIRC is next to Cassiobury Park. *I doubt many folks will be inconvenienced. * Many, many more Metroland residents will gain the benefit of a main line connection. Will the Croxley Rail Link facilitate plans to re-extend the Bakerloo Line from Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford Junction? What's going with that, anyway? AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. I don't see any negative issues. But, mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stock means that the platforms have to be compromise height. Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
1506 wrote:
AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. I don't see any negative issues. But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. That didn't seem to be a problem for the 65 years (1917-1982) that the Bakerloo ran to Watford Junction. And of course it remains the situation from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. Peter Beale |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
Peter Beale wrote:
1506 wrote: AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. I don't see any negative issues. But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. That didn't seem to be a problem for the 65 years (1917-1982) that the Bakerloo ran to Watford Junction. And of course it remains the situation from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. That's true, but we have a more enlightened attitude to disabled passengers than our predecessors, so it isn't persuasive. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13857135.html (09 025 at Brighton, 20 Apr 1996) |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 10:07, Chris Tolley (ukonline
really) wrote: Peter Beale wrote: 1506 wrote: AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. *I don't see any negative issues. *But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. *Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line.. That didn't seem to be a problem for the 65 years (1917-1982) that the Bakerloo ran to Watford Junction. And of course it remains the situation from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. That's true, but we have a more enlightened attitude to disabled passengers than our predecessors, so it isn't persuasive. But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On Jun 5, 12:04*pm, wrote: [snip] But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. Not only the Victoria line, they're appearing at other stations on the LU network as well - the Northern line at London Bridge sticks in my mind, but there are other places too. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 12:21, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:04*pm, wrote: [snip] But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. Not only the Victoria line, they're appearing at other stations on the LU network as well - the Northern line at London Bridge sticks in my mind, but there are other places too. Of course, I knew I'd seen one somewhere else, but I couldn't remember where!! |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:07:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Peter Beale wrote: 1506 wrote: AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. I don't see any negative issues. But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. That didn't seem to be a problem for the 65 years (1917-1982) that the Bakerloo ran to Watford Junction. And of course it remains the situation from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. That's true, but we have a more enlightened attitude to disabled passengers than our predecessors, so it isn't persuasive. So if disabled can't be accomodated then the best solution is that no one is? Is that what you're saying? B2003 |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 12:21, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:04*pm, wrote: [snip] But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. Not only the Victoria line, they're appearing at other stations on the LU network as well - the Northern line at London Bridge sticks in my mind, but there are other places too. Presumbably the raised lumps are mostly likely to appear at stations served by the JLE, since those would have been made accessible anyway. Anywhere else, there would be little chance of reaching the platform in the first place. On the Bakerloo thing, the platforms are at compromise height which according to my impression is slightly less of a step up from the Bakerloo than a step down from a 313. Has anyone got measurements to confirm this? |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 13:46, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:07:31 +0100 Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Peter Beale wrote: 1506 wrote: AFIK extending the Bakerloo is fading back into obscurity. *I don't see any negative issues. *But mixing tube with mainline and subsurface stoke means that the platforms have to be compromise height. *Better in my view to keep the Bakerloo as is, and extend the East London Line. That didn't seem to be a problem for the 65 years (1917-1982) that the Bakerloo ran to Watford Junction. And of course it remains the situation from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone. That's true, but we have a more enlightened attitude to disabled passengers than our predecessors, so it isn't persuasive. So if disabled can't be accomodated then the best solution is that no one is? Is that what you're saying? More that the disabled will never be accommodated and will continue to be ignored unless new works have to meet certain standards. There are centuries of precedent for this and they've had enough. Sometimes the requirements seem to go too far, but I understand why. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 13:53, MIG wrote:
On 5 June, 12:21, Mizter T wrote: On Jun 5, 12:04*pm, wrote: [snip] But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. Not only the Victoria line, they're appearing at other stations on the LU network as well - the Northern line at London Bridge sticks in my mind, but there are other places too. Presumbably the raised lumps are mostly likely to appear at stations served by the JLE, since those would have been made accessible anyway. *Anywhere else, there would be little chance of reaching the platform in the first place. No, because the JLE stations already have the train floor level with the platforms, so there is no step up or down into the train. The raised areas will be needed on the original Jubilee line though. On the Bakerloo thing, the platforms are at compromise height which according to my impression is slightly less of a step up from the Bakerloo than a step down from a 313. *Has anyone got measurements to confirm this? I think it depends on the station and any cant at the location. On the Rayners Lane to Uxbridge line, which also has compromise platform heights, and used to only have a limited Piccadilly service, it is my impression that the gap is larger stepping up from a Piccadilly line train than down from a Met line train. |
Croxley Rail Link 'complete by 2014'
On 5 June, 14:12, wrote:
On 5 June, 13:53, MIG wrote: On 5 June, 12:21, Mizter T wrote: On Jun 5, 12:04*pm, wrote: [snip] But all the platforms north of Harrow are still at compromise height, with a step down from the 313s. Any provision for disabled passengers could be taken into account by having a raised section in the northern end of the platforms where the LO services stop and a lowered section at the southern end, where only the Bakerloo line trains would have doors; these short sections would have to be in the same spot at each station and could line up with the areas of the trains with wheelchair spaces etc. Such raised sections have already started to appear on the Victoria line, as part of the upgrade. It's quite unusual not having to step down from the train. Not only the Victoria line, they're appearing at other stations on the LU network as well - the Northern line at London Bridge sticks in my mind, but there are other places too. Presumbably the raised lumps are mostly likely to appear at stations served by the JLE, since those would have been made accessible anyway. *Anywhere else, there would be little chance of reaching the platform in the first place. No, because the JLE stations already have the train floor level with the platforms, so there is no step up or down into the train. The raised areas will be needed on the original Jubilee line though. I meant that at a station like London Bridge, the lumps were needed to make the Northern Line platforms usable, but there would have been no point unless the whole station had been made accessible for the JLE. On the Bakerloo thing, the platforms are at compromise height which according to my impression is slightly less of a step up from the Bakerloo than a step down from a 313. *Has anyone got measurements to confirm this? I think it depends on the station and any cant at the location. True. My impression was based on Kensal Green, which is straight and level. |
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