Robin May wrote:

"Ben Nunn" wrote the following in:


And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station roof.

Heron Quays, however, *is* a case in point, being as it is directly
under Lehman Brothers' new building. (Which is going to be very, very
nice inside when it's finished...)

--
James Farrar |
London, SE13 |

James Farrar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

"Ben Nunn" wrote the following in:


And if the presence of a building above defines a station as
'below', does this mean that Canary Wharf DLR is underground?

There is no building above Canary Wharf DLR station. There are
buildings next to it, but the only thing above it is the station
roof.

Heron Quays, however, *is* a case in point, being as it is directly
under Lehman Brothers' new building. (Which is going to be very, very
nice inside when it's finished...)

I think you're confusing "underground" with "under cover". By no stretch of
the imagination is Heron Quays underground. It's on a viaduct for goodness
sake! But it is under cover. For a station to be regarded as
"underground", I suggest it needs to be below the local ground level and to
have no significant natural light reaching the platforms.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.

I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

--

It was when I lived there a few years ago, although I guess it just might
have been built over perhaps. (Incidentally I loved the damp smell of
Wapping station).

Andrew

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat ceilings and
are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to cover it" is that the
exit from the bus station and the airport perimeter road are on top of it.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.


I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

BTN

In article , Ben Nunn wrote:

I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

I used to use it when I lived in Ealing - I'd get the tube from
Northfields and get off at Hatton Cross, then get the H26 bus from there
to Bedfont Lakes where I work.

Niklas
--
"Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at
only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century,
which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as
Poland." - Unknown from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive.

"Ben Nunn" wrote in message

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to
the platforms - not even an escalator.

Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.


I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone
going to the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations,
and aside from an under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot
in the area on the non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up
point on my world-record attempt, having just been around the
Heathrow loop.

Presumably there are a lot of airline staff who use it, plus those picking
up buses to go to/from local hotels, etc. Doesn't the airport run a free
bus service from there?

In message , Ben Nunn
writes

I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

Some years ago I used to use Hatton Cross for parking when flying from
Heathrow for meetings in Manchester. The small car-park next to the
station always had plenty of room at 07:30 and it was either free or
very cheap to park there all day - certainly very, very much cheaper
than parking for a day at Heathrow itself, and more convenient than the
airport's long stay car-parks - just one stop on the tube.

Alas, I don't think that that has been possible for some years - I'm not
even sure the car park is still there.
--
Paul Terry

"Nigel Pendse" wrote in message
...
"John Rowland" wrote in
message
"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
om...

O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".


The tunnel from Hounslow West, Hatton Cross station and a short length of
tunnel to the west are cut and cover. The bored tube tunnels start a short
distance west of the station.

Thanks for all the helpful replies so far!

-- E

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