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Watford to Heathrow
There used to be a very convenient Virgin bus running between Watford
and Heathrow. It no longer runs but there is a Geenline (?) bus: slow and with inadequate baggage facilities. Is there a convenient train plus underground route? No stairs please because the passenger will have both a suitcase and an over-night bag to carry. -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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On Jul 1, 11:39*am, Frederick Williams wrote: There used to be a very convenient Virgin bus running between Watford and Heathrow. *It no longer runs but there is a Geenline (?) bus: slow and with inadequate baggage facilities. *Is there a convenient train plus underground route? *No stairs please because the passenger will have both a suitcase and an over-night bag to carry. It's Green Line (http://www.greenline.co.uk/) not Geenline - it's route 724, and is an express bus service that stops at four places between Watford and Heathrow. It takes an hour and a quarter or so, a bit longer during peak times when traffic will be heavier. The actual bus used is a single decker which has extra luggage racks fitted so as to cater for flyers heading to or from Heathrow. The timetable is available from the Green Line website here (PDF): http://tinyurl.com/lpm2go Otherwise, if you're trying to do it without stairs then it's a bit fiddly. From Watford to Euston one would take the train, then from Euston one could take the 205 bus - which stops on the other side of Euston Road - to get to Paddington, and then take either the Heathrow Express (pricey) or Heathrow Connect (cheaper, but only half-hourly and takes a bit longer) to Heathrow. Or otherwise take a cab from Euston to Paddington. If a step-free option is important, I think I'd recommend just taking that 724 express bus. None of the various Underground options are entirely step-free. Where's the passengers starting point - is it Watford or elsewhere? If it's elsewhere there may be other options. |
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On 1 July, 12:31, Mizter T wrote:
None of the various Underground options are entirely step-free. You can take the hourly Southern service from Watford Junction to West Brompton. Walk across the platform to a District Line train one stop to Earl's Court, where there are lifts to the Piccadilly Line, which goes to Heathrow. Allow 2 hours all in. Because West Brompton doesn't have a full set of lifts, to do the reverse journey you need to catch a District Line train from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia instead (beware these are a bit less frequent than other tube trains - worst case a 20 minute wait), where the District Line platform is adjacent to the northbound mainline platform (and therefore there are no steps), for the Southern service to Watford Junction. U |
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On Jul 1, 1:13*pm, Mr Thant wrote: On 1 July, 12:31, Mizter T wrote: None of the various Underground options are entirely step-free. You can take the hourly Southern service from Watford Junction to West Brompton. Walk across the platform to a District Line train one stop to Earl's Court, where there are lifts to the Piccadilly Line, which goes to Heathrow. Allow 2 hours all in. Because West Brompton doesn't have a full set of lifts, to do the reverse journey you need to catch a District Line train from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia instead (beware these are a bit less frequent than other tube trains - worst case a 20 minute wait), where the District Line platform is adjacent to the northbound mainline platform (and therefore there are no steps), for the Southern service to Watford Junction. Very good, clever stuff. Though in this situation I think I'd probably still recommend taking the bus from Watford - one vehicle all the way meaning less hassle. However, your route could work out quite well for some travellers, for example those with less baggage, especially as one can completely cut out the District line element by simply walking the 0.2 miles between West Brompton and Earl's Court stations at street level via Eardley Crescent - it's likely one would walk further than this within the bowels of Heathrow, after all. For reference, here's a street map: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/oldmap.sr...&y=178250&ar=N |
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Mr Thant wrote:
On 1 July, 12:31, Mizter T wrote: None of the various Underground options are entirely step-free. You can take the hourly Southern service from Watford Junction to West Brompton. Walk across the platform to a District Line train one stop to Earl's Court, where there are lifts to the Piccadilly Line, which goes to Heathrow. Allow 2 hours all in. Because West Brompton doesn't have a full set of lifts, to do the reverse journey you need to catch a District Line train from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia instead (beware these are a bit less frequent than other tube trains - worst case a 20 minute wait), where the District Line platform is adjacent to the northbound mainline platform (and therefore there are no steps), for the Southern service to Watford Junction. U Thank you, that sounds like a good idea. I'll try it next time I need to make the journey. -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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*Is there a convenient train
plus underground route? *No stairs please because the passenger will have both a suitcase and an over-night bag to carry. The passenger could get the London Midland/Southern service from Watford Junction (Lifts available) to Harrow Wealdstone (99% of the time this comes into platform 6) ramp available, then cross the road and get on the 140 bus to Heathrow? No stairs needed here! Burkey |
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burkey wrote:
Is there a convenient train plus underground route? No stairs please because the passenger will have both a suitcase and an over-night bag to carry. The passenger could get the London Midland/Southern service from Watford Junction (Lifts available) to Harrow Wealdstone (99% of the time this comes into platform 6) ramp available, then cross the road and get on the 140 bus to Heathrow? No stairs needed here! Does the bus have proper storage for luggage? Will the driver or conductor help with the handling of luggage? The Green Line 724 fails on these counts and swapping one such bus for another like it is no advantage. -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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In message , Frederick Williams
writes Does the bus have proper storage for luggage? Will the driver or conductor help with the handling of luggage? The 140 is operated by large double-deckers with ample space for a suitcase and overnight bag in the luggage area, but you won't get help in loading it from the bus driver, any more than you would from a train driver when using the railways - your friend needs a minicab if that type of service is required. -- Paul Terry |
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On Jul 1, 4:01*pm, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Frederick Williams writes Does the bus have proper storage for luggage? *Will the driver or conductor help with the handling of luggage? The 140 is operated by large double-deckers with ample space for a suitcase and overnight bag in the luggage area, but you won't get help in loading it from the bus driver, any more than you would from a train driver when using the railways - your friend needs a minicab if that type of service is required. Just for the sake of clarity, the 140 is a normal London bus route (and there's no express element to it). It is operated by standard London double decker buses. |
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Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:13=A0pm, Mr Thant wrote: On 1 July, 12:31, Mizter T wrote: None of the various Underground options are entirely step-free. You can take the hourly Southern service from Watford Junction to West Brompton. Walk across the platform to a District Line train one stop to Earl's Court, where there are lifts to the Piccadilly Line, which goes to Heathrow. Allow 2 hours all in. Because West Brompton doesn't have a full set of lifts, to do the reverse journey you need to catch a District Line train from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia instead (beware these are a bit less frequent than other tube trains - worst case a 20 minute wait), where the District Line platform is adjacent to the northbound mainline platform (and therefore there are no steps), for the Southern service to Watford Junction. Very good, clever stuff. Though in this situation I think I'd probably still recommend taking the bus from Watford - one vehicle all the way meaning less hassle. Agreed. I think the bus also calls at all the terminals, and minimises the amount of walking involved. Like you, I would have suggested train to Euston, taxi to Paddington and Connect/Express from there, but there are some long underground walks needed at the airport depending on which terminal the OP is flying from. So bus seems best. |
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT), burkey
wrote: The passenger could get the London Midland/Southern service from Watford Junction (Lifts available) to Harrow Wealdstone (99% of the time this comes into platform 6) ramp available, then cross the road and get on the 140 bus to Heathrow? No stairs needed here! I didn't know about that one - thanks! Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:42:26 +0100, Tony Polson
wrote: If delays are especially bad the service will be cut short - not much use if you have a plane to catch. Useful to know. From MK itself last time I used National Express (coach) - this wasn't too slow nor too expensive (though I wasn't paying). The only downside is a relatively low frequency and the possibility of getting stuck if your flight is late. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Jul 1, 10:42*pm, Tony Polson wrote:
(Neil Williams) wrote: On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT), burkey wrote: The passenger could get the London Midland/Southern service from Watford Junction (Lifts available) to Harrow Wealdstone (99% of the time this comes into platform 6) ramp available, then cross the road and get on the 140 bus to Heathrow? No stairs needed here! I didn't know about that one - thanks! It takes ages and, depending on the time of day, can be heavily delayed by traffic in Harrow, Northolt and Hayes. * If delays are especially bad the service will be cut short - not much use if you have a plane to catch. It does run half-hourly through the night though, with a journey time of 41 minutes. Might be an idea for an 'earlyish' flight? |
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On Jul 1, 10:42*pm, Tony Polson wrote: (Neil Williams) wrote: On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT), burkey wrote: The passenger could get the London Midland/Southern service from Watford Junction (Lifts available) to Harrow Wealdstone (99% of the time this comes into platform 6) ramp available, then cross the road and get on the 140 bus to Heathrow? No stairs needed here! I didn't know about that one - thanks! It takes ages and, depending on the time of day, can be heavily delayed by traffic in Harrow, Northolt and Hayes. * If delays are especially bad the service will be cut short - not much use if you have a plane to catch. It does run half-hourly through the night though, with a journey time of 41 minutes. Might be an idea for an 'earlyish' flight? That's true. |
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Tony Polson wrote:
Mizter T wrote: On Jul 1, 1:13=A0pm, Mr Thant wrote: Very good, clever stuff. Though in this situation I think I'd probably still recommend taking the bus from Watford - one vehicle all the way meaning less hassle. Agreed. I think the bus also calls at all the terminals, and minimises the amount of walking involved. No it doesn't but the Virgin bus used to. The Green Line 724 calls at the central bus station and terminals 4 and 5. So bus seems best. It's because I've tried it that I'm seeking an alternative. -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Frederick Williams writes Does the bus have proper storage for luggage? Will the driver or conductor help with the handling of luggage? The 140 is operated by large double-deckers with ample space for a suitcase and overnight bag in the luggage area, but you won't get help in loading it from the bus driver, The reason I asked is that the Virgin bus driver always helped! any more than you would from a train driver when using the railways - your friend needs a minicab if that type of service is required. -- Paul Terry -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:42:26 +0100, Tony Polson wrote: If delays are especially bad the service will be cut short - not much use if you have a plane to catch. Useful to know. From MK itself last time I used National Express (coach) - this wasn't too slow nor too expensive (though I wasn't paying). Now, there's a thought: train from Watford to MK, coach from MK to Heathrow! The only downside is a relatively low frequency and the possibility of getting stuck if your flight is late. Neil -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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Frederick Williams wrote:
Tony Polson wrote: I think the bus also calls at all the terminals, and minimises the amount of walking involved. No it doesn't but the Virgin bus used to. The Green Line 724 calls at the central bus station and terminals 4 and 5. Thanks for the correction. |
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On Jul 2, 10:28*am, Frederick Williams wrote: Paul Terry wrote: In message , Frederick Williams writes Does the bus have proper storage for luggage? *Will the driver or conductor help with the handling of luggage? The 140 is operated by large double-deckers with ample space for a suitcase and overnight bag in the luggage area, but you won't get help in loading it from the bus driver, The reason I asked is that the Virgin bus driver always helped! It was a 'proper' coach, so the luggage got loaded into 'the hold' didn't it? (What is the proper name of that luggage space on a coach?) |
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Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:28 am, Frederick Williams wrote: The reason I asked is that the Virgin bus driver always helped! It was a 'proper' coach, so the luggage got loaded into 'the hold' didn't it? Originally it was a minibus. I mean it looked like a minibus, what it was called officially, I don't know. The minibus was then replaced by a full-sized coach (for carrying three or four passengers!). The minibus driver and the coach driver (they might even have been the same bloke) both helped. -- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested. |
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... Mizter T wrote: So bus seems best. It's because I've tried it that I'm seeking an alternative. It suspect any option via rail or underground is going to be worse than the bus. This is certainly the case getting from Brighton/Gatwick to Heathrow, where the coach is a lot more civilised than rail and underground if you've got luggage to deal with. D A Stocks |
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"Frederick Williams" wrote in message ... Tony Polson wrote: Mizter T wrote: On Jul 1, 1:13=A0pm, Mr Thant wrote: Very good, clever stuff. Though in this situation I think I'd probably still recommend taking the bus from Watford - one vehicle all the way meaning less hassle. Agreed. I think the bus also calls at all the terminals, and minimises the amount of walking involved. No it doesn't but the Virgin bus used to. The Green Line 724 calls at the central bus station and terminals 4 and 5. Not anymore. Latest timetable i've seen only shows it serving Central Bus station and Terminal 5. Seemingly the T4 stop has been dropped. |
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On Jul 3, 12:35*am, wrote: In article , (David A Stocks) wrote: "Frederick Williams" wrote in ... Mizter T wrote: So bus seems best. It's because I've tried it that I'm seeking an alternative. It suspect any option via rail or underground is going to be worse than the bus. This is certainly the case getting from Brighton/Gatwick to Heathrow, where the coach is a lot more civilised than rail and underground if you've got luggage to deal with. The words "coach" and "civilised" don't belong in the same sentence IME. Absolute total and unmitigated ********, to be blunt. |
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:41:17 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote: The words "coach" and "civilised" don't belong in the same sentence IME. Absolute total and unmitigated ********, to be blunt. Compared to trains buses/coaches are cramped, noisy, slow, bouncy and frequently hot. B2003 |
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... In article , (David A Stocks) wrote: "Frederick Williams" wrote in message ... Mizter T wrote: So bus seems best. It's because I've tried it that I'm seeking an alternative. It suspect any option via rail or underground is going to be worse than the bus. This is certainly the case getting from Brighton/Gatwick to Heathrow, where the coach is a lot more civilised than rail and underground if you've got luggage to deal with. The words "coach" and "civilised" don't belong in the same sentence IME. I think I must have tried most of the options to/from Heathrow. A lot depends on time of day but, broadly speaking they go as follows in order of civilisation from best to worst: 1. Virgin Upper Class Limo (obviously I wasn't paying) 2. Drive + Underground (i.e. park near a suitable Picadilly Line station) 3. Cab + [Train to Gatwick +] Coach 4. Drive + airport parking 5. Cab + Train + Bus + Heathrow Express 6. Cab + Train + Underground via Victoria 7. Cab + Train + Underground via Blackfriars (probably worth trying again when the station has been rebuilt) DAS |
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On 3 July, 01:02, wrote:
In article , (Mizter T) wrote: On Jul 3, 12:35*am, wrote: In article , (David A Stocks) wrote: "Frederick Williams" wrote in ... Mizter T wrote: So bus seems best. It's because I've tried it that I'm seeking an alternative. It suspect any option via rail or underground is going to be worse than the bus. This is certainly the case getting from Brighton/Gatwick to Heathrow, where the coach is a lot more civilised than rail and underground if you've got luggage to deal with. The words "coach" and "civilised" don't belong in the same sentence IME. Absolute total and unmitigated ********, to be blunt. We clearly disagree. Hate the bloody things, especially when I'm expecting a train. Was he disagreeing with you or redrafting your response? The advantage of the coach is that it presumably takes you direct to Heathrow, with no stairs and escalators. Heathrow is relatively badly served by trains from most directions, and central London is badly served by coaches from all directions (traffic jams, Victoria Coach Station ...). |
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Compared to trains buses/coaches are cramped, noisy, slow, bouncy and frequently hot. And full of pond life! Ian |
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:35:39 +0100, "Matt Wheeler"
wrote: Not anymore. Latest timetable i've seen only shows it serving Central Bus station and Terminal 5. Seemingly the T4 stop has been dropped. T4 is becoming a bit of a pain in the backside to get to/from these days, particularly as HEx can't be arsed to publicise the timetable for their infrequent service from there to T123, and it's a rather long walk at both ends. A shuttle bus wouldn't cost all that much - perhaps there is a need for one. (There is a public bus, but that is also quite infrequent and the passenger information is atrocious) Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:31:45 +0100, Frederick Williams
wrote: Now, there's a thought: train from Watford to MK, coach from MK to Heathrow! Which would be fine, but you'd need a bus or taxi ride in the middle to take you to Campbell Park for the "interim coachway". Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Jul 3, 7:52*pm, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:35:39 +0100, "Matt Wheeler" wrote: Not anymore. Latest timetable i've seen only shows it serving Central Bus station and Terminal 5. Seemingly the T4 stop has been dropped. T4 is becoming a bit of a pain in the backside to get to/from these days, particularly as HEx can't be arsed to publicise the timetable for their infrequent service from there to T123, and it's a rather long walk at both ends. The timetable might not be publicised - but Heathrow Connect provides a 4tph link between Heathrow T123 and T4 stations - e.g., see the T123 departures towards T4 on th LDB he http://realtime.nationalrail.co.uk/l...px?T=HXX&S=HAF Heathrow Connect runs half hourly from Paddington of course, but once an HC train reaches T4 it then provides a run from T4 back to T123, then reverses back to T4, before reversing again to provide a full through service from T4 via T123 to Paddington. The gaps between services are 8 minutes and 22 minutes, which I guess makes some sense from a timetabling point of view. Very quickly glancing at the full arrivals and departures LDB screen for Heathrow T123 station, it appears that at least some of these HC departures for T4 dovetail in with HEx arrivals from Paddington - but I haven't worked out the pattern. See: http://realtime.nationalrail.co.uk/l...ion.aspx?T=HXX A shuttle bus wouldn't cost all that much - perhaps there is a need for one. * (There is a public bus, but that is also quite infrequent and the passenger information is atrocious) Which bus is that? The only bus I can see on the TfL bus spider maps that directly links Heathrow Central bus station (for T123) and T4 is the infrequent Green Line 724 route - and that's now out of date, as the 724 now visits Heathrow Central before going on to terminate at T5. However there are two London buses that link T5 with T4 - routes 482 and 490, the former being every 15 mins during the day, the latter "every 10-13 mins" - so that might be an option. The "Heathrow Freeflow" free bus travel arrangements mean you don't need to pay. The Heathrow T4 bus spider map is here (PDF): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...nal4-14075.pdf Incidentally, I agree that information about bus and coach services at Heathrow Central *used* to be absolutely atrocious - it seems BAA decided they'd do it all themselves, and did a really shoddy job of it, and there weren't even any TfL bus spider maps on display - nowadays I think it is very much improved. The change happened when National Express took over responsibility for running Heathrow Central bus and coach station - there's a fairly new building for passengers to wait in, along with coach ticket sales desks and an information desk (and also a special rail ticket sales desk, run by NX, for the benefit of those pax wishing to connect to trains by RailAir coaches). Overall signage is much better now. And TfL bus spider maps have appeared! Though I think they might only be located near the local bus stands - I've a feeling they don't appear in the main bus station building, which is a shame, |
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 01:45:38 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote: Which bus is that? The only bus I can see on the TfL bus spider maps that directly links Heathrow Central bus station (for T123) and T4 is the infrequent Green Line 724 route - and that's now out of date, as the 724 now visits Heathrow Central before going on to terminate at T5. Two hundred and something, I think. I forget, but it was on the stops when I was last at T4, but I declined to use it as I'd just missed one. [T123 bus station] there's a fairly new building for passengers to wait in There is, and it's quite nice - but quite unusual in appearing to have an inflatable roof! Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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Mizter T wrote
The timetable might not be publicised - but Heathrow Connect provides a 4tph link between Heathrow T123 and T4 stations - e.g., see the T123 departures towards T4 on th LDB he http://realtime.nationalrail.co.uk/l...px?T=HXX&S=HAF [...] A shuttle bus wouldn't cost all that much - perhaps there is a need for one. * (There is a public bus, but that is also quite infrequent and the passenger information is atrocious) Which bus is that? The only bus I can see on the TfL bus spider maps that directly links Heathrow Central bus station (for T123) and T4 is the infrequent Green Line 724 route - and that's now out of date, as the 724 now visits Heathrow Central before going on to terminate at T5. Probably a reference to the 555, two an hour for most of 0445-2205 - not Tfl but still covered by "Heathrow Freeflow" area free bus travel In fact the 701(Woking) RailAir coach also links Heathrow Central bus station (for T123) and T4, two an hour from 0545 to 2300) The similar non-Tfl 441 directly links Heathrow Central bus station (for T123) and T5, two an hour from 0500 to 2210. (555 is Heathrow-T4-Walton-on-Thames; 441 Heathrow-T5-Egham-Englefield Green, both Travel Surrey, both BAA supported). However there are two London buses that link T5 with T4 - routes 482 and 490, the former being every 15 mins during the day, the latter "every 10-13 mins" - so that might be an option. The "Heathrow Freeflow" free bus travel arrangements mean you don't need to pay. -- Mike D |
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