The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:21:21 +0100, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Mizter T wrote:

The City Corporation must have put some money towards City Thameslink
station - originally named St Paul's Thameslink - because the City of
London crest is displayed on wall panels at platform level - see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackenzieblu/3260380147/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackenzieblu/3260343935/

The crest was also prominent at Blackfriars in my school days and may
still be now.

And it was also prominent on the bridge over Ludgate Hill which St Paul's
Thameslink replaced.

The badge tends to be a mark of ownership (although more likely
decoration within the station), as with the various bridges (including
Tower Bridge which is not footed within the capital). The presence on
the Ludgate Hill bridge might hint at the same applying.

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

The days of conviction politicians have gone, I think.

Oh i don't know - i think we might yet get a few convictions out of the
espenses debacle!

I hope you're right! ;-)

But I yearn for those days when at least some politicians (but by no
means all) had the courage of their convictions and acted and voted
according to them.

To be fair, there are some - my MP, Jeremy Corbyn, is a good example, and
then you've got the like of Brian Coleman MLA, who acts on his principles,
but sadly has pretty foetid principles. The trouble is that people like
this are usually relegated to the back benches, while the people who
believe in nothing but themselves advance to the positions of power.

tom

--
There are many ways of going crazy, but the most valuable of them is
this one which makes a genius out of an ordinary man. -- Claudio Grondi

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On Jul 5, 12:49*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

The days of conviction politicians have gone, I think.

Oh i don't know - i think we might yet get a few convictions out of the
espenses debacle!

I hope you're right! *;-)

But I yearn for those days when at least some politicians (but by no
means all) had the courage of their convictions and acted and voted
according to them.

To be fair, there are some - my MP, Jeremy Corbyn, is a good example, and
then you've got the like of Brian Coleman MLA, who acts on his principles,
but sadly has pretty foetid principles. The trouble is that people like
this are usually relegated to the back benches, while the people who
believe in nothing but themselves advance to the positions of power.

I knew Brian Coleman was a bit unhinged, but I've just read his
wikipedia page... he's quite mad!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Coleman

(And his taxi expenses don't look too good either...)

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:


On Jul 5, 12:49*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

The days of conviction politicians have gone, I think.

Oh i don't know - i think we might yet get a few convictions out of the
espenses debacle!

I hope you're right! *;-)

But I yearn for those days when at least some politicians (but by no
means all) had the courage of their convictions and acted and voted
according to them.

To be fair, there are some - my MP, Jeremy Corbyn, is a good example, and
then you've got the like of Brian Coleman MLA, who acts on his principles,
but sadly has pretty foetid principles. The trouble is that people like
this are usually relegated to the back benches, while the people who
believe in nothing but themselves advance to the positions of power.

I knew Brian Coleman was a bit unhinged, but I've just read his
wikipedia page... he's quite mad!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Coleman

That's an "AM", an MLA is a different creature some distance up the
road (and the ferry).

(And his taxi expenses don't look too good either...)

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

"D7666" wrote in message
...
On Jul 4, 9:28 am, D7666 wrote:

IIRC when the 319s arrived on Thameslink the 317s went to Euston,
replacing
the 310s. Subsequently 321s came to Euston, the 317s went to Kings
Cross,
replacing the 312s.

The 319 317 310 cascade was created before 321s were ordered, so
can't be counted in the original Snow Hill route justfication.

Coming back to this point and about BR regions, the 319 317 310
was a straight LMR internal cascade.

Interesting that the 310s went over to the Tilbury lines, a former
LMSR route - but IIRC from a talk (?RCTS?) this had not actually
allowed been allowed for - the LMR were simply going to withdraw them,
and it was L+SE (as it then was) looking at the wider issues that took
them to the LT&S. I might not have the details of that all right, it
was a long while ago, I had this gen before I moved to Luton, and I
been here 20+ years (too many).

Another poster referred to the regions replaced by sectors - one
confusion point is the regions did not break up at the same time as
each other. IIRC the LMR was the last to go, well behind SR, and with
TL being what would have been a joint SR/LMR route this might have
added confusion. Once it did happen, the former exBedPan bit ''Network
north midland line'', or whatever it was, evolved into what became
''Thameslink'' sub-sector.

--
Nick

Wasn't it "Midland City Line"? (at least up to 1987 when I returned down
under after 10 years).

DW down under

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On 6 July, 10:29, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
"D7666" wrote in message

...
On Jul 4, 9:28 am, D7666 wrote:

IIRC when the 319s arrived on Thameslink the 317s went to Euston,
replacing
the 310s. Subsequently 321s came to Euston, the 317s went to Kings
Cross,
replacing the 312s.
The 319 317 310 cascade was created before 321s were ordered, so
can't be counted in the original Snow Hill route justfication.

Coming back to this point and about BR regions, the 319 317 310
was a straight LMR internal cascade.

Interesting that the 310s went over to the Tilbury lines, a former
LMSR route - but IIRC from a talk (?RCTS?) this had not actually
allowed been allowed for - the LMR were simply going to withdraw them,
and it was L+SE (as it then was) looking at the wider issues that took
them to the LT&S. *I might not have the details of that all right, it
was a long while ago, I had this gen before I moved to Luton, and I
been here 20+ years (too many).

Another poster referred to the regions replaced by sectors - one
confusion point is the regions did not break up at the same time as
each other. IIRC the LMR was the last to go, well behind SR, and with
TL being what would have been a joint SR/LMR route this might have
added confusion. Once it did happen, the former exBedPan bit ''Network
north midland line'', or whatever it was, evolved into what became
''Thameslink'' sub-sector.

The 310s also went to the Eastern where they joined the similar-
looking 312s*, I think before they went to LTS. I think some 312s
went to LTS as well later. They got very mixed up and went all over
the place.

*I had fun spotting the differences, less obvious when the curvy cab
windows had gone from the 310s.

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Charles Ellson wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

On Jul 5, 12:49*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Tony Polson wrote:

The days of conviction politicians have gone, I think.

Oh i don't know - i think we might yet get a few convictions out of the
espenses debacle!

I hope you're right! *;-)

But I yearn for those days when at least some politicians (but by no
means all) had the courage of their convictions and acted and voted
according to them.

To be fair, there are some - my MP, Jeremy Corbyn, is a good example, and
then you've got the like of Brian Coleman MLA, who acts on his principles,
but sadly has pretty foetid principles. The trouble is that people like
this are usually relegated to the back benches, while the people who
believe in nothing but themselves advance to the positions of power.

I knew Brian Coleman was a bit unhinged, but I've just read his
wikipedia page... he's quite mad!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Coleman

That's an "AM", an MLA is a different creature some distance up the road
(and the ferry).

Whoops! Maybe it was just wishful thinking ...

tom

--
We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that
needs to be done. -- Alan Turing

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

In article
,
(MIG) wrote:

The 310s also went to the Eastern where they joined the similar-
looking 312s*, I think before they went to LTS. I think some 312s
went to LTS as well later. They got very mixed up and went all over
the place.

The last slam door stock at East Ham was a few class 312s. I even have a
picture somewhere. Oh yes,
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosenst...ns/eastham.htm.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

On 6 July, 16:23, wrote:
In article
,

(MIG) wrote:
The 310s also went to the Eastern where they joined the similar-
looking 312s*, I think before they went to LTS. *I think some 312s
went to LTS as well later. *They got very mixed up and went all over
the place.

The last slam door stock at East Ham was a few class 312s. I even have a
picture somewhere. Oh yes,http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosenst...ns/eastham.htm.

I expect that whichever 312/310 units were most recently overhauled
would have got kept on regardless of uniformity, to cover any
shortages. A bit like how a hotchpotch of suburban slam-door units
ended up on the south eastern from across the three divisions.

The beginnings of Thameslink (was: ECML demise)
 

In article
,
(MIG) wrote:

On 6 July, 16:23, wrote:
In article
,

(MIG) wrote:
The 310s also went to the Eastern where they joined the similar-
looking 312s*, I think before they went to LTS. *I think some 312s
went to LTS as well later. *They got very mixed up and went all over
the place.

The last slam door stock at East Ham was a few class 312s. I even have
a picture somewhere. Oh yes,
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rosenst...ns/eastham.htm.

I expect that whichever 312/310 units were most recently overhauled
would have got kept on regardless of uniformity, to cover any
shortages. A bit like how a hotchpotch of suburban slam-door units
ended up on the south eastern from across the three divisions.

Uh-oh. When that photo was taken (in 2002) the 310s had all been withdrawn.

--
Colin Rosenstiel