On Jul 8, 3:20*pm, Paul wrote:

On 8 July, 13:25, Paul wrote:

Thinking about it, the only possible "safety concern" that I can think
of is that someone from "Health And Safety" has deemed it "unsafe" for
buses on the through routes (123, 230, W4 and N73) to pass buses on
the terminating routes (41 and 192) that are on stand. Granted there
is limited clearance, but I am not aware of any serious accidents or
fatalities. Even if there had been an accident, the problem could be
solved by making sure that buses on stand only park in designated
areas. How typical of Tfl to not give a flying f**k about passengers,
and find a solution which causes them as much inconvenience as
possible. I would not like to be member of LU staff there on Saturday
(when there is no Victoria line running) having to explain why the
replacement buses toward Walthamstow are having to sail past the bus
station without stopping.


I have now received the following reply from London Buses

Thank you for contacting me regarding Tottenham Hale Bus Station. *I
am sorry you are unhappy with the current stopping arrangements.

As stated on our website, routes 123, 230, W4 and N73 will no longer
be serving the station. *Concerns were recently raised that, in order
to ensure the safety of alighting passengers, bus numbers should be
reduced in the station. *Now that these numbers have been reduced,
routes 41 and 192, which terminate at Tottenham Hale, continue to use
the station.
We appreciate that this is not an ideal situation. *Discussions are
taking place to see if an improved solution can be found, and we will
be monitoring the situation closely. *I apologise for any
inconvenience caused.
Thank you again for raising your concerns with us. *If I can be of any
help in the future, please feel free to contact me.

As I said previously, how typical of Tfl to think of a solution which
causes the maximum inconvenience to passengers - how many accidents
have there actually been, and have any of these been serious?


If you want to take this further you could perhaps put in an FOI
request for documents relating to this decision. That might highlight
the incidents that have apparently occurred. You could also try asking
the staff at the station, the bus drivers (or controllers if there are
any about), or even the shopkeeper in the station building or the bods
in the minicab office whether they know about any particular incidents
of late.

I quite agree that on the face of it, it seems a trifle absurd.

"Paul" wrote in message
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I have now received the following reply from London Buses

Thank you for contacting me regarding Tottenham Hale Bus Station. I
am sorry you are unhappy with the current stopping arrangements.

As stated on our website, routes 123, 230, W4 and N73 will no longer
be serving the station. Concerns were recently raised that, in order
to ensure the safety of alighting passengers, bus numbers should be
reduced in the station. Now that these numbers have been reduced,
routes 41 and 192, which terminate at Tottenham Hale, continue to use
the station.
We appreciate that this is not an ideal situation. Discussions are
taking place to see if an improved solution can be found, and we will
be monitoring the situation closely. I apologise for any
inconvenience caused.
Thank you again for raising your concerns with us. If I can be of any
help in the future, please feel free to contact me.

As I said previously, how typical of Tfl to think of a solution which
causes the maximum inconvenience to passengers - how many accidents
have there actually been, and have any of these been serious?

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Peter Smyth

On 8 July, 22:30, "Peter Smyth" wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

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I have now received the following reply from London Buses

Thank you for contacting me regarding Tottenham Hale Bus Station. *I
am sorry you are unhappy with the current stopping arrangements.

As stated on our website, routes 123, 230, W4 and N73 will no longer
be serving the station. *Concerns were recently raised that, in order
to ensure the safety of alighting passengers, bus numbers should be
reduced in the station. *Now that these numbers have been reduced,
routes 41 and 192, which terminate at Tottenham Hale, continue to use
the station.
We appreciate that this is not an ideal situation. *Discussions are
taking place to see if an improved solution can be found, and we will
be monitoring the situation closely. *I apologise for any
inconvenience caused.
Thank you again for raising your concerns with us. *If I can be of any
help in the future, please feel free to contact me.

As I said previously, how typical of Tfl to think of a solution which
causes the maximum inconvenience to passengers - how many accidents
have there actually been, and have any of these been serious?

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Peter Smyth- Hide quoted text -

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I have written to Tfl suggesting that

(a) buses on all routes can only set down or pick up if they are
adjacent to the kerb
(b) buses on stand at the terminus should only park in specially
designated areas, so that there is enough room for buses on the
through routes to pass safely
(c) A suitable speed restriction is imposed in the bus station

This should reduce any risk to an acceptable level, although I do
realise that a busy times there can sometimes be a queue of buses
waiting to pass through the bus station.

Considering the large number of people who board and alight from the
through routes at the bus station, it seems that many people are being
inconvenienced for a relatively small risk. I don't think that Tfl
have really thought this one through properly.

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

Cheers,

Barry

On 9 July, 15:40, Barry Salter wrote:
Peter Smyth wrote:
It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

Cheers,

Barry

The N73 is a normal double decker, and not a bendy bus. Of all the
routes that use the bus station, it will have the least trouble
getting round, especially at 3am when the N41 is the only other bus
still running.

Barry Salter wrote in news:7bmdrbF247r5vU2
@mid.individual.net:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:
Barry Salter wrote in news:7bmdrbF247r5vU2
@mid.individual.net:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

Barry Salter wrote:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.

On 10 July, 10:21, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:





On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

Barry Salter wrote:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.- Hide quoted text -

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I realised after that his 153 must be a typo for 453, which I think is
just 24-hour rather than a N.

On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 10:21, Mizter T wrote:

On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

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londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.

I realised after that his 153 must be a typo for 453, which I think is
just 24-hour rather than a N.

It is indeed, you are correct, and James did a typo - the 24-hour 453
is featured here on the Westminster night bus map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...uses-11497.pdf

I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.