What's happened to the PEDs?
 

On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the Jubilee
line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were 2 stations
and now today there was a third. What is going on?


Kevin

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"K" wrote in message
...
On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the Jubilee
line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were 2 stations
and now today there was a third. What is going on?

Everything's going wrong this week - Walthamstow Central was closed
yesterday, There was a train stuck at Oxford Circus on the Victoria this
morning, causing massive delays, and the influx of refugees from the
Northern Line meant that getting into town from the North East has been
dreadful. As I was going to the central I changed at Finsbury Park, but the
Picadilly was as slow as the Victoria.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"K" wrote in message
...
On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the Jubilee
line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were 2 stations
and now today there was a third. What is going on?


Kevin

I belive the problemt to be that a flaw exists, whereby trains can drive off
with the PED's still open (LUL rules say that if PEDs are fitted, they must
be closed when a train is not in station) and also, they have failed to open
when a train arrives.
As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for passengers, and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.

eRk

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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
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and the influx of refugees from the Northern Line

Crikey! I thought they only came in via the Channel Tunnel.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

Paul Weaver wrote:

"K" wrote in message
...
On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the Jubilee
line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were 2 stations
and now today there was a third. What is going on?

Everything's going wrong this week - Walthamstow Central was closed
yesterday, There was a train stuck at Oxford Circus on the Victoria this
morning, causing massive delays, and the influx of refugees from the
Northern Line meant that getting into town from the North East has been
dreadful. As I was going to the central I changed at Finsbury Park, but the
Picadilly was as slow as the Victoria.

Indeed it was - the Victoria line driver made announcements to say what
was happening (whilst not doing them so often as to be annoying); on the
other hand, the Picc driver said nothing, even after stopping in a
tunnel for 2 minutes for the fifteeth time in 6 stops.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"Dave Newt" wrote in message
...
Paul Weaver wrote:

"K" wrote in message
...
On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the Jubilee
line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were 2 stations
and now today there was a third. What is going on?

Everything's going wrong this week - Walthamstow Central was closed
yesterday, There was a train stuck at Oxford Circus on the Victoria this
morning, causing massive delays, and the influx of refugees from the
Northern Line meant that getting into town from the North East has been
dreadful. As I was going to the central I changed at Finsbury Park, but
the
Picadilly was as slow as the Victoria.

Indeed it was - the Victoria line driver made announcements to say what
was happening (whilst not doing them so often as to be annoying); on the
other hand, the Picc driver said nothing, even after stopping in a
tunnel for 2 minutes for the fifteeth time in 6 stops.

Hats off to the Victoria Line driver this morning. I got stuck just outside
KX when the "Juice" was turned off. Lights dimmed etc, driver came on,
stated what was going on and said "Juice is off, no tea in the teapot, we'll
be here for a while"

From when I got on at Walthamstow Central to Euston he was informative and
slightly humourous.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

Hats off to the Victoria Line driver this morning. I got stuck just
outside
KX when the "Juice" was turned off. Lights dimmed etc, driver came on,


What time was that?

Indeed, the driver on the Victoria line train I got at arround 9:20 was very
helpful - although if I'd known the line was running *that* slowly I'd have
waited for the (delayed) WAGN to Liverpool Street.

Changed at Finsbury Park thinking that
1) Wouldn't have the stops
2) Go straight to Holburn

But the driver only made one announcement that I could hear - and even that
was barely - about overcrowding at KX.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

I belive the problemt to be that a flaw exists, whereby trains can drive
off
with the PED's still open (LUL rules say that if PEDs

What's a PED?

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100, "Darren Wiltshire"
wrote:


As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for passengers, and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.


But 3 in one week? That sounds too much of a coincidence

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
...
Hats off to the Victoria Line driver this morning. I got stuck just
outside
KX when the "Juice" was turned off. Lights dimmed etc, driver came on,


What time was that?

about 08:50 at KX


Indeed, the driver on the Victoria line train I got at arround 9:20 was
very
helpful - although if I'd known the line was running *that* slowly I'd
have
waited for the (delayed) WAGN to Liverpool Street.

Changed at Finsbury Park thinking that
1) Wouldn't have the stops
2) Go straight to Holburn

But the driver only made one announcement that I could hear - and even
that
was barely - about overcrowding at KX.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"Paul Weaver" typed


I belive the problemt to be that a flaw exists, whereby trains can drive
off
with the PED's still open (LUL rules say that if PEDs

What's a PED?

Platform Edge Door, I presume from the context.

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"Paul Weaver" wrote the following in:


"K" wrote in message
...
On Monday 1 station was non-stopping in one direction on the
Jubilee line because the PEDs were defective; Tuesday there were
2 stations and now today there was a third. What is going on?

Everything's going wrong this week - Walthamstow Central was
closed yesterday, There was a train stuck at Oxford Circus on the
Victoria this morning, causing massive delays, and the influx of
refugees from the Northern Line meant that getting into town from
the North East has been dreadful. As I was going to the central I
changed at Finsbury Park, but the Picadilly was as slow as the
Victoria.

I was trying to catch the Central line from Liverpool Street this
morning. I had to let three trains go past before boarding because
there was absolutely no room for more passengers. Is this normal or is
it related to all the recent problems? I knew the Central line was bad
but surely not that bad!

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What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
What's a PED?


Platform Edge Door.

Kat in Downtown Toronto

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"K" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100, "Darren Wiltshire"
wrote:


As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for passengers,
and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.


But 3 in one week? That sounds too much of a coincidence

So were all the power cuts: East Coast USA, London, Northern Italy... "It's
all a great big conspiracy"!

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

"Martin Underwood" typed



"K" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100, "Darren Wiltshire"
wrote:


As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for passengers,
and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.


But 3 in one week? That sounds too much of a coincidence

So were all the power cuts: East Coast USA, London, Northern Italy... "It's
all a great big conspiracy"!


No, you obviously didn't absorb 'File on Four' on Radio 4 last night...

--
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Edgware.

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"K" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100, "Darren Wiltshire"
wrote:


As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for passengers,
and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.


But 3 in one week? That sounds too much of a coincidence

No, not a coincidence, just part of an on-going problem that is currently
being looked into/fixed

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"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
s.com...

"K" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:09:20 +0100, "Darren Wiltshire"
wrote:


As you can imagine, these can cause a few helth problems for
passengers,
and
so it is easier to pass these stations while they try to fix this.


But 3 in one week? That sounds too much of a coincidence

So were all the power cuts: East Coast USA, London, Northern Italy...
"It's
all a great big conspiracy"!


Apparently one in which, Canada, who suffered the worst of the North
American power-cuts AND for longer, isn't included....

Kat in Downtown Toronto

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"Janice" wrote in message ...
"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
What's a PED?


Platform Edge Door.

Indeed. An expensive and utterly pointless feature in the jubilee line
extension that has started causing problems after only 3 years. Imagine
how (un)reliable these things will be in a decade and how much money will
have to be sunk into them to keep them working. If future management at LUL
have any sense they'll rip them out at the first opportunity.

B2003

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

Why PEDs?
 

Excuse me for hijacking this thread, but it is the perfect moment to ask a
thing I always wanted to know:

What are the PED built for?
Obviously, they are a safety increase for the passengers on a crowded
platform - but in a movie of a "jubilee line drivers view" I saw, the
speaker said something about the ventilation systems of the trains. He
emphasized that the ventilation was the primary reason for building them,
and safety came just along with that.

So I wonder if someone can give some insights what the doors really do for
the line - or if this DVDs commentary is just b...

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- flying to London next week for 3 days holiday in the city
- looking forward (I really do) to use the tube!

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Robin May wrote:
I'm sure you love it when your train is delayed by a person throwing
themselves under it, or even slipping and falling under it by accident.

Unlikely they've made a blind bit of difference.

A) Anyone who wants to top themselves will just go to one of 200 odd other
stations to do it if thats the way they want to go.

B) The platforms on the extension are MUCH wider than in older tube stations
so platform crowding should never get to the point where someone falls off.
Ok someone might still get pushed but that happens what , once a year over
the whole system?

I won't talk about distress caused to the people who have to deal with
it afterwards because I can't imagine you caring about it beyond the
effect it has on you.

You're right , I couldn't give a rats arse about them. They chose that job,
if they don't like it the job centre always has vacancies for McDonalds.

Two sets of doors being broken for a day or two is hardly the end of
the world. I suppose that next time your car gets a flat tyre you'll
take it to the scrap heap.

If I'd paid a million quid for the tyre in the first place and it blew
after 3 years on the road in normal use I think i'd try and get my money back.

B2003

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

Why PEDs?
 

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:14:20 +0200, Ralf Hermanns wrote:

or if this DVDs commentary is just b...

DVD commentary of a tube train driving along a line?

Why PEDs?
 

In article , Ralf Hermanns
writes
What are the PED built for?
Obviously, they are a safety increase for the passengers on a crowded
platform - but in a movie of a "jubilee line drivers view" I saw, the
speaker said something about the ventilation systems of the trains. He
emphasized that the ventilation was the primary reason for building them,
and safety came just along with that.

You've slightly misunderstood, but only slightly.

The primary purpose was to improve the airflow in the stations. When you
consider that tube trains almost fill the tunnel (though less so on the
JLE, where the tunnels are wider), a significant portion of the train's
power goes to pushing air down the tunnels in front of it and pulling
air into the tunnel behind it. If this airflow can be improved there is
the potential for significant cost savings, even after the additional
costs of the door mechanisms.

The doors also provide additional safety for passengers on the platform.
But this is an additional benefit that comes free, rather than being the
purpose behind them.

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Why PEDs?
 

"Paul Weaver" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:14:20 +0200, Ralf Hermanns wrote:

or if this DVDs commentary is just b...

DVD commentary of a tube train driving along a line?


http://www.video125.co.uk/acatalog/underground.html

I ordered one over here, they even shipped to Europe for only 2 pound. The
Video quality is good, but its 85 minutes of a train going through tunnels
most of the time - you have to be kind of addicted to the tube to like it...
Damn interesting nevertheless.

P.S. Please note I am not affiliated with or work for the company mentioned
above. I did not have the intention to spam advertisments for them.

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- flying to London next week for 3 days holiday in the city
- looking forward (I really do) to use the tube!

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Robin May wrote in message ...
Ok someone might still get pushed but
that happens what , once a year over the whole system?

Yeah, that's the spirit. So someone dies. So what? Who cares? It's only
the odd person every now and then, nothing to worry about.

Exactly. Life is full of risks. Perhaps we should de-electrify the whole
system too and use diesel or battery locos just so if someone gets pushed
on the track elsewhere they might have a better chance of survival?
Christ , they'll be fitting harnesses on escalators soon.

No, they didn't choose that job. They chose the job of driving a train.
They shouldn't have to deal with people throwing themselves in front of
it and if that can be avoided then it certainly should be.

So you're telling me drivers have no clue that people might jump or fall in
front of a train before they took the job on? Oh get real.

So what are you trying to say? That mechanical systems should never
ever go wrong and that they're fundamentally flawed if anything ever
does go wrong, no matter how rarely and how little time it takes to
repair? Please come back to this subject once you have returned to the
real world.

What I'm saying is for the money they cost they should last a bit longer
than 3 years before they start having faults so serious that the whole station
has to be closed for 2 days. And it might help if the Nannies in the HSE would
allow trains to stop with the platform doors fixed open but of course some
fragile little flower might have a 0.001% chance of falling on the track and
that would never do , no can't have that. Just make them get the bus or walk
along a busy road instead to the next station where they have a hundred times
greater chance of being hit by a car.

If they'd wanted to put the money to good use perhaps they should have started
by making the trains a bit stronger. The mess that the low speed (14mph it
was stated) crash on the northern line caused to that train carriage was
unbelievable , what was it made out of , cardboard? Since the jubilee trains
are structurally the same I would rather not be in one if it derailed at
high speed and hit something.

B2003

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On 24 Oct 2003 01:33:33 -0700, (Boltar) wrote:

Robin May wrote in message ...
Ok someone might still get pushed but
that happens what , once a year over the whole system?

Yeah, that's the spirit. So someone dies. So what? Who cares? It's only
the odd person every now and then, nothing to worry about.

Exactly. Life is full of risks. Perhaps we should de-electrify the whole
system too and use diesel or battery locos just so if someone gets pushed
on the track elsewhere they might have a better chance of survival?
Christ , they'll be fitting harnesses on escalators soon.

No, they didn't choose that job. They chose the job of driving a train.
They shouldn't have to deal with people throwing themselves in front of
it and if that can be avoided then it certainly should be.

So you're telling me drivers have no clue that people might jump or fall in
front of a train before they took the job on? Oh get real.

So what are you trying to say? That mechanical systems should never
ever go wrong and that they're fundamentally flawed if anything ever
does go wrong, no matter how rarely and how little time it takes to
repair? Please come back to this subject once you have returned to the
real world.

What I'm saying is for the money they cost they should last a bit longer
than 3 years before they start having faults so serious that the whole station
has to be closed for 2 days.


Which stations were closed for 2 days due to faulty PEDs?

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

K wrote in message . ..
What I'm saying is for the money they cost they should last a bit longer
than 3 years before they start having faults so serious that the whole station
has to be closed for 2 days.


Which stations were closed for 2 days due to faulty PEDs?

Bermondsey.

What's happened to the PEDs?
 

On 28 Oct 2003 05:42:31 -0800, (Boltar) wrote:


Which stations were closed for 2 days due to faulty PEDs?

Bermondsey.

When was that?