"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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Basil Jet wrote:
Dominic wrote:
On 7 Aug, 12:24, MaxB wrote:
Residents welcome new London railway depot - not!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8189061.stm

MaxB

"Liberal Democrat councillor for Haringey Council Rachel Allison has
described the proposed building as "the bunker"...
"This is a huge maintenance facility nearly two-storeys high." "

My preconceptions about bunker design were that they shouldn't be so
prominent!

Gosh, imagine having to live opposite a two-story building...

Storey, even.

Looking at the diagram, the building will be on the far side of the ECML
opposite the properties in Chadwell Lane. Aren't they council properties?
Haven't these people heard that beggars can't be choosers? It will be
barely visible from the private properties in New River Avenue.

Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs. Will
the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the existing
trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new Thameslink
require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

Kevin

Zen83237 wrote:

Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs.
Will the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the
existing trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new
Thameslink require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

A few more trains, but mostly, more carriages per train.

In message , at 22:43:20 on
Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs. Will
the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the existing
trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new Thameslink
require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may also
be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is that?)
to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 22:43:20 on
Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of
jobs. Will the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable
than the existing trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new
Thameslink require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may
also be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is
that?) to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.

It's a bit like when supermarkets want to open new branches -- they
invariably promise to create lots of jobs. But, of course, these 'new'
jobs will simply replace a larger number of 'old' jobs lost in other
local shops whose business will decline.

In message , at 10:16:45 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of
jobs. Will the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable
than the existing trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new
Thameslink require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may
also be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is
that?) to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.

It's a bit like when supermarkets want to open new branches -- they
invariably promise to create lots of jobs. But, of course, these 'new'
jobs will simply replace a larger number of 'old' jobs lost in other
local shops whose business will decline.

That denies the possibility that there can be "growth" in employment in
the retail sector, eg by offering a better service. Just looking around
the places I've lived, comparing the number of shops "pre-supermarket"
and the number of jobs now provided in ASDA and so on, the latter has to
be much larger, even discounting the longer opening hours. And the old
food shops have largely been replaced by some kind of specialist or
non-food shop which requires staffing too.

My impression from a quick Google is that retail employment has been
increasing steadily at half to one percent per annum over the last
decade.
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
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The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may also
be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is that?)
to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.

IIRC, the existing depots are at Bedford and Selhurst (run by Southern).
--
Paul Terry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 10:16:45 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:


It's a bit like when supermarkets want to open new branches -- they
invariably promise to create lots of jobs. But, of course, these
'new' jobs will simply replace a larger number of 'old' jobs lost in
other local shops whose business will decline.

That denies the possibility that there can be "growth" in employment
in the retail sector, eg by offering a better service. Just looking
around the places I've lived, comparing the number of shops
"pre-supermarket" and the number of jobs now provided in ASDA and so
on, the latter has to be much larger, even discounting the longer
opening hours. And the old food shops have largely been replaced by
some kind of specialist or non-food shop which requires staffing too.

My impression from a quick Google is that retail employment has been
increasing steadily at half to one percent per annum over the last
decade.

I would think that the jobs per sales pound are much lower in an Asda or
Tesco than the small shops they replace. Yes, you'll see shelf-stackers
and staff loading bins for on-line shoppers in the aisles, but the
average shopper will have much less human interaction with staff than in
an old-fashioned small shop.

But other retailers may be recruiting as well, as the increasingly
affluent population (OK, not necessarily this year) spends more in
retailers, buying stuff their predecessors simply couldn't buy (ie, it
simply didn't exist or they couldn't afford it).

In message , at 13:45:07 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
My impression from a quick Google is that retail employment has been
increasing steadily at half to one percent per annum over the last
decade.

I would think that the jobs per sales pound are much lower in an Asda or
Tesco than the small shops they replace. Yes, you'll see shelf-stackers
and staff loading bins for on-line shoppers in the aisles, but the
average shopper will have much less human interaction with staff than in
an old-fashioned small shop.

But other retailers may be recruiting as well, as the increasingly
affluent population (OK, not necessarily this year) spends more in
retailers, buying stuff their predecessors simply couldn't buy (ie, it
simply didn't exist or they couldn't afford it).

Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or in
one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 13:45:07 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
My impression from a quick Google is that retail employment has been
increasing steadily at half to one percent per annum over the last
decade.

I would think that the jobs per sales pound are much lower in an
Asda or Tesco than the small shops they replace. Yes, you'll see
shelf-stackers and staff loading bins for on-line shoppers in the
aisles, but the average shopper will have much less human
interaction with staff than in an old-fashioned small shop.

But other retailers may be recruiting as well, as the increasingly
affluent population (OK, not necessarily this year) spends more in
retailers, buying stuff their predecessors simply couldn't buy (ie,
it simply didn't exist or they couldn't afford it).

Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or in
one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

In message , at 14:44:28 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or in
one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

One of the odd things is that my town has only one mobile phone shop
(Carphone Warehouse) and it is literally the shop furthest from the
centre. There must be some retail database that all the phone companies
use, to choose new sites, which scores the place too low.

There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

There is just one pizza delivery place (a tiny delivery/pickup-only
Pizza Hut). Nearby is a Pizza Express, ironically in a building that
used to be a Building Society (it closed, rather than relocated).
--
Roland Perry