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"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 14:44:28 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Every "traditional" shop near where I live, be it a corner shop or
in one of the several parades, is still open as a shop. They aren't
generally selling groceries any more (apart from a few specialist
deli's) but they are selling something.

I wonder how many of those are estate agents or bank/building society
offices? And, of course, you now have mobile phone stores, pizza
delivery outfits, etc.

One of the odd things is that my town has only one mobile phone shop
(Carphone Warehouse) and it is literally the shop furthest from the
centre. There must be some retail database that all the phone
companies use, to choose new sites, which scores the place too low.

There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of retailers
that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need less staff per
pound of sales.

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In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of retailers
that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need less staff per
pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.
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Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of
retailers that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need
less staff per pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.

That may well be so, but the point I was making was that when a
supermarket moves into town, the numerous 'new' jobs it claims to be
creating will be at the expense of a larger number existing jobs in
local small shops, so there's an immediate drop in local retail
employment. In due course, some of these small shops will close, and may
well be replaced by new types of shops (ie, mobile phones, takeaways,
internet cafes, banks, etc), so that the total number of retail jobs may
indeed increase over time. But that's not because of the claimed new
jobs created by the supermarket.

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In message , at 17:40:42 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 16:23:10 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
There aren't many estate agents, but plenty of banks and building
societies. All of these need staff, however.

That's what I meant when I said that it's these 'new' types of
retailers that are employing extra staff, while supermarkets need
less staff per pound of sales.

But overall the staff levels are gradually increasing.

That may well be so, but the point I was making was that when a
supermarket moves into town, the numerous 'new' jobs it claims to be
creating will be at the expense of a larger number existing jobs in
local small shops, so there's an immediate drop in local retail
employment.

It's not immediate

In due course,

Thankyou

some of these small shops will close, and may
well be replaced by new types of shops (ie, mobile phones, takeaways,
internet cafes, banks, etc), so that the total number of retail jobs may
indeed increase over time.

The existing jobs stay much the same and...

But that's not because of the claimed new jobs created by the
supermarket.

.... the "new" jobs at the supermarket still exist, and are genuine new
jobs.
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Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 22:43:20 on Mon,
10 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs. Will
the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the existing
trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new Thameslink
require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may also be
factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is that?) to
the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.
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Roland Perry

I thought that the figure I saw was an extra 500 staff. So a few extra
coaches will require an extra 500 people!!! I thought that modern electric
stock required very little maintenance.

Kevin

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"Zen83237" wrote in message
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 22:43:20 on Mon,
10 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs.
Will
the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the existing
trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new Thameslink
require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may also
be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is that?)
to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.
--
Roland Perry

I thought that the figure I saw was an extra 500 staff. So a few extra
coaches will require an extra 500 people!!! I thought that modern electric
stock required very little maintenance.

Kevin

And of course 450 of the 500 will probably go to East Europeans.

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In message , at 22:39:37 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:

I thought that modern electric
stock required very little maintenance.

Won't it be cleaning, rather than repairs?
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Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 22:39:37 on Tue,
11 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:

I thought that modern electric
stock required very little maintenance.

Won't it be cleaning, rather than repairs?
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Roland Perry

If its just cleaning surely they don't need a depot that looks like a
bunker, just a siding will do.

Kevin

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"Zen83237" wrote in message
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"Zen83237" wrote in message
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 22:43:20 on
Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
Can somebody explain how building the depot creates hundreds of jobs.
Will
the new Thameslink trains be that much more unreliable than the existing
trains that they need more maintenance.
Surely the existing trains are maintained so why does the new Thameslink
require hundreds of extra maintenance staff.

The new trains will have more carriages than the old. But they may also
be factoring in a reluctance of staff at the old depot (where is that?)
to the new ones, resulting in *local* recruitment.
--
Roland Perry

I thought that the figure I saw was an extra 500 staff. So a few extra
coaches will require an extra 500 people!!! I thought that modern
electric
stock required very little maintenance.

Kevin

And of course 450 of the 500 will probably go to East Europeans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8189061.stm

It is 250 "new" jobs, just realised.

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In message , at 22:25:03 on
Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Zen83237 remarked:
If its just cleaning surely they don't need a depot that looks like a
bunker, just a siding will do.

It's a bit 19th century to work outdoors cleaning the inside of trains.
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Roland Perry