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Road speed cameras
What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not
the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London? As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the police? Mike |
Road speed cameras
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:20:44 +0000, mjw1 wrote:
What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? SPECCS? |
Road speed cameras
What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 -
not the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London? As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the police? They are Called SPECS cameras. They are a better idea than GATSOs, but not all roads are suited as they have to contain a stretch of road which does not have any turnoffs. -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk |
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"Joe" wrote in message
... They are Called SPECS cameras. They are a better idea than GATSOs, but not all roads are suited as they have to contain a stretch of road which does not have any turnoffs. Why? If you don't reach the second camera within X seconds you haven't broken the law, so your number can be discarded, and whether you then show up at the second camera a few seconds later or have turned away is irrelevant. IMO every SPECS camera in the country should be linked, and whenever you pass one your number should be transmitted to every other camera in the country along with a "discard-by" time, and if you are busted if you arrive at any other camera before your number is discarded by that camera. It would also bring an instant end to license plate cloning, because the system would see these cars as travelling at 1000s of miles an hour, and the police could instantly be alerted to the location of both cars. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Road speed cameras
Why? If you don't reach the second camera within X seconds you haven't
broken the law, so your number can be discarded Because People could not slow down for the cameras and turn off: |# | | | | | |# | = Side of Road = Turn Off # = Camera -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk |
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Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths?
They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more than the rate here. They have many more of them in Australia and their accidents are going up. The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist. "mjw1" wrote in message ... What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London? As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the police? Mike |
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"Joe" wrote in message
... Why? If you don't reach the second camera within X seconds you haven't broken the law, so your number can be discarded Because People could not slow down for the cameras and turn off: If you're suggesting that people will whizz past the first camera and then use some rat run to avoid the second, the rat run would consume more time than staying on the main road and obeying the speed limit, so I can't see the point of anyone doing that. If you're talking about people whose destination is in the side road, then okay, SPECS won't catch them, but even on a long road with no side roads, people whose house is within the SPECS pair will never be caught for speeding. At least it will stop most people from speeding, whereas the current foot-on-the-floor-whoops-there's-a-gatso-slam-on-the-brakes-okay-foot-on-the -floor-again style of driving makes the law into a laughing stock. The first place they should put SPECS is on every road currently blighted with speed humps, so they can remove the bloody things. Does anyone know the relative cost of SPECS versus speed humps? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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John Rowland wrote:
The first place they should put SPECS is on every road currently blighted with speed humps, so they can remove the bloody things. Does anyone know the relative cost of SPECS versus speed humps? I think they cost more. More to the point, London boroughs can put in speed humps without involving TfL. A lot more hoops have to be jumped through to install any sort of camera. Colin McKenzie |
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In article , Nick
writes Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths? No. They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more than the rate here. They do have cameras in Germany but they are targeted at specific problem areas, not used as a revenue raising tax as they are here. They have many more of them in Australia and their accidents are going up. The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist. So do I. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:20:12 +0000, John Rowland wrote:
IMO every SPECS camera in the country should be linked, and whenever you pass one your number should be transmitted to every other camera in the country along with a "discard-by" time, and if you are busted if you arrive sure, discard, that'll happen. Bye bye privacy |
Road speed cameras
"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
IMO every SPECS camera in the country should be linked, and whenever you pass one your number should be transmitted to every other camera in the country along with a "discard-by" time, and if you are busted if you arrive at any other camera before your number is discarded by that camera. It would also bring an instant end to license plate cloning, because the system would see these cars as travelling at 1000s of miles an hour, and the police could instantly be alerted to the location of both cars. And whats the next phase in your Big Brother scheme? Record the faces of the drivers in the cars which can be matched by a facial recognition system? How far does this go? If speed limits were reasonable I wouldn't mind these bloody cameras but a lot of the time they've been set deliberately low just so as to catch as many drivers and hence raise as much revenue as possible. 2 prime examples spring to mind - the 40mph limit on the 6 lane north circular at many points and the cameras on the A45 coming out of Birmingham. Fortunately the latter are backwards facing cameras and I've solved the problem of getting anymore tickets by permanently removing my front license plate. Did that a year ago and despite driving past many plods have yet to be stopped for it and I'd recommend everyone else who is fed up with being extorted by the police do the same. B2003 |
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"Nick" wrote in message ...
Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths? The police come out with spurious statistics that they have a habit of doing but knowing the reliability of police stats and the amount of spin they always have I'd prefer to see an independent survey done before I believe a word of it. Plus if the real reason for these things was to reduce deaths they'd put them in local streets and outside schools where most fatal accidents happen. But no, they put them where they make the most money , ie on high speed roads where a greater percentage of drivers speed but the least accidents happen. The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist. And thats exactly what they are. |
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Andrew P Smith schrieb:
They do have cameras in Germany but they are targeted at specific problem areas, not used as a revenue raising tax as they are here. Oh i wish that were true... Yes, you get speed cameras in problem areas, but, germans do use speed cameras as a revenue generating device, too, they just don't say they do. |
Road speed cameras
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article , Boltar wrote: 2 prime examples spring to mind - the 40mph limit on the 6 lane north circular ... this is a gray area because of the relativly high volume of unprotected pedestrian traffic in those areas. There are houses too. Try standing on a 50mph section. The noise is colossal, and a real disincentive to walking there. Safety is not the only reason to limit speed. Colin McKenzie |
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In article ,
Boltar wrote: And whats the next phase in your Big Brother scheme? Record the faces of the drivers in the cars which can be matched by a facial recognition system? How far does this go? If speed limits were reasonable I wouldn't mind these bloody cameras but a lot of the time they've been set deliberately low just so as to catch as many drivers and hence raise as much revenue as possible. I can think of perhaps 2 locations where this is true, but... 2 prime examples spring to mind - the 40mph limit on the 6 lane north circular .... this is a gray area because of the relativly high volume of unprotected pedestrian traffic in those areas. at many points and the cameras on the A45 coming out of Birmingham. Never seen the road, so can't comment. -- Good night little fishey-wishes.... I've counted you, so no sneaky eating each other. -- FW (should I worry?) |
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Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths?
Not what you were asking, but there is evidence that speed is a killer. -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:40:16 +0100, Gunnar Thöle
wrote in : Andrew P Smith schrieb: They do have cameras in Germany but they are targeted at specific problem areas, not used as a revenue raising tax as they are here. Oh i wish that were true... Yes, you get speed cameras in problem areas, but, germans do use speed cameras as a revenue generating device, too, they just don't say they do. I remember coming down a long winding descent out of the Schwarzwald into a little village with progressively lower speed signs. There was a whole line of us including me on the bike, stuck behind this very big semi (artic) who had to go slowly because of the descent and the twisties. At the bottom were two Polizei with a radar gun, scowling in frustration as we all crawled past... -- Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration, Brunel University. Room 40-1-B12, CERN KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty". |
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If you look he
http://www.abd.org.uk/prosecutions.htm you'll see that whilst the amount of drivers caught by speed cameras appears to be going up exponentially the amount of deaths on the road have remained constant, so I suppose the answer is no, there is no evidence that cameras reduce injuries or deaths. "Nick" wrote in message ... Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths? They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more than the rate here. They have many more of them in Australia and their accidents are going up. The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist. "mjw1" wrote in message ... What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London? As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the police? Mike |
Road speed cameras
In article , Gunnar Thöle
writes Andrew P Smith schrieb: They do have cameras in Germany but they are targeted at specific problem areas, not used as a revenue raising tax as they are here. Oh i wish that were true... Yes, you get speed cameras in problem areas, but, germans do use speed cameras as a revenue generating device, too, they just don't say they do. That's news to me as there are so few of them. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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In article , Dr Ivan D. Reid
writes At the bottom were two Polizei with a radar gun, scowling in frustration as we all crawled past... Good. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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In article , Joe
writes Not what you were asking, but there is evidence that speed is a killer. -- Bull****. Bad driving can be a killer. It's the drivers decision what speed to drive at and no one else's. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are
all ANPR units on Blue poles. ANPR Units on Green poles are for the new Highways agency National Traffic Information Centre. Regards Nik Fox TravelNexus UK On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:20:44 -0000, "mjw1" wrote: What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one? Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London? As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the police? Mike |
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"Nik-thevoice" wrote in message
... They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are all ANPR units on Blue poles. Have you actually been along the A14? The speed cameras referred to are those which face the driver and use infra-red light. They are totally different from the Trafficmaster cameras, and from the SPECs cameras which you can find on the M6, for example, in the Thelwall Viaduct road works. -- Terry Harper http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
Road speed cameras
"Terry Harper" wrote in message ...
"Nik-thevoice" wrote in message ... They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are all ANPR units on Blue poles. Have you actually been along the A14? The speed cameras referred to are those which face the driver and use infra-red light. They are totally different from the Trafficmaster cameras, and from the SPECs cameras which you can find on the M6, for example, in the Thelwall Viaduct road works. I haven't been along that road. But such a system is more useful than simply catching speeders. It is an easy way to automatically detect traffic congestion. If a large number of vehicles are taking excessively longer than the normal time to pass between two points it is a sign that the road is congested and this would be very useful for traffic information bulletins. Such methods could be used on the South-Western section of the M25 to give proper live updates of the "Queue Ahead" signs and adjusting the variable speed limits. |
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In article ,
Nmtop40 wrote: But such a system is more useful than simply catching speeders. It is an easy way to automatically detect traffic congestion. One of the few things that can be said in its favour is that its use would give TPTB an incentive to keep traffic moving. -- Tony Bryer |
Road speed cameras
Nick wrote:
Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths? They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more than the rate here. They have many more of them in Australia and their accidents are going up. That statement's a bit misleading. Australia's had speed cameras for well over a decade, and for several years the accident rate did go down (although often it varied from state to state, as did the method of use, time of introduction and the type of cameras. Recently in Victoria all the cameras have had to be withdrawn, as they were getting erroneous readings.) The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist. Not everyone, and I doubt there are many places in the world where motorists don't regard them as an extra tax, except those places where speed limits are very strictly enforced and speeding motorists are likely to lose their licenses. Here in South Australia, there have been several changes in policy of speed camera use. Currently the police give advance warning of where some (but not all) of the speed cameras are going to be located the next day. |
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"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message ... Nick wrote: Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths? They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more than the rate here. Well they have them in Dusseldorf, Bremen, Essen, Berlin and Munich all cities in Germany. The rabid anti-arguments all get a bit tiresome, so I will concentrate on two roads which I know intimately and dealt with many serious accidents on. A twelve mile stretch of the A40 between Headington and Witney there were 17 people killed in 13 accidents between 1990 and 1992. I have no information on injury and damage only accidents. In 1993 the three speed cameras came into use and in the twelve months following that there was only three deaths. The following 12 months two. On the worst section for accidents at Barnards Gate it went from seven fatalities in two years to none in the following three. Similar results were seen at other locations. I helped choose the sites where best to spend the limited funds on the initial trials. Following retirement as a police officer I moved to Motorway Control as a civilian. The force patrolled the more miles of motorway than any other including the M25 from Hertfordshire to Surrey around Heathrow. The accident rate on that stretch was higher than for all the other stretches we controlled put together. The M4 and M40, A329M, A404M, A308M averaged about half the RTA's on a daily basis that that short stretch of the M25 did. Once the cameras were switched on along with the posted temporary speed limits, the accident dropped dramatically. What accidents did occur were at lower speeds and the results are lot less harmful to those involved. I moved on in 1999, and have no doubt that there are many alive today who would not have been if speed enforcement hadn't been updated to make it more likely motorists were caught speeding. Speed doesn't cause all accidents, but it is a major factor in the severity of any impact, the lower the speed the less chance of a serious outcome. |
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In article , Jon Porter
writes The following 12 months two. On the worst section for accidents at Barnards Gate it went from seven fatalities in two years to none in the following three. Probably due to the fact that they installed traffic lights at the junction and stopped the traffic. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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