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Kingsway Tramway
The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th
Nov. See http://measure.org.uk/measurenews.html for details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Peter Smyth |
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On 29 Sep, 18:03, "Peter Smyth" wrote:
The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfor details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Peter Smyth Thanks for this I have been wanting to see this for ages First time missed cause I had to work Last time Open House a few years ago booked out Cheers Phil |
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On Oct 1, 8:33*am, wrote:
On 29 Sep, 18:03, "Peter Smyth" wrote: The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfordetails on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Peter Smyth Thanks for this I have been wanting to see this for ages First time missed cause I had to work Last time Open House a few years ago booked out Cheers Phil Would you be able to do what everyone who posts here actually wants to do, or would you be restricted to standing an looking at the guy's artwork? Neill |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Neill wrote:
On Oct 1, 8:33*am, wrote: On 29 Sep, 18:03, "Peter Smyth" wrote: The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfordetails on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for this I have been wanting to see this for ages First time missed cause I had to work Last time Open House a few years ago booked out Would you be able to do what everyone who posts here actually wants to do .... Run up and down making ghostly tram noises? tom -- Most people lose their talent at puberty. I lost mine in my early twenties. I began to think of children not as immature adults, but of adults as atrophied children. -- Keith Johnstone |
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The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfor details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Do they want money for that? (says me, who just booked two tickets) |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Neill wrote: On Oct 1, 8:33 am, wrote: On 29 Sep, 18:03, "Peter Smyth" wrote: The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfordetails on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for this I have been wanting to see this for ages First time missed cause I had to work Last time Open House a few years ago booked out Would you be able to do what everyone who posts here actually wants to do Run up and down making ghostly tram noises? Don't run - it's dangerous when carrying scissors. |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
Alex wrote: The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. Seehttp://measure.org.uk/measurenews.htmlfor details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Do they want money for that? (says me, who just booked two tickets) I went to one of those "art" exhibitions in the tunnels about 7 years ago. Was very interesting. The tunnels that is. The art was the usual standard issue pile of talentless garbage with self justifying pretentious BS written on cards nearby trying to "explain" the pieces that you'd expect from undergraduate art students (ie students who are too thick to do a degree that actually involves thinking or learning anything). B2003 |
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I went to one of those "art" exhibitions in the tunnels about 7 years ago. Was very interesting. The tunnels that is. The art was the usual standard issue pile of talentless garbage with self justifying pretentious BS written on cards nearby trying to "explain" the pieces that you'd expect from undergraduate art students (ie students who are too thick to do a degree that actually involves thinking or learning anything). I suspect that vast majority of people will be there not for the "art". Heck, I'm quite ready to pretend that I'm looking at the strings just to get there! |
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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. See http://measure.org.uk/measurenews.html for details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for the alert. I went this lunch time, and here's some of the pics I took: www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/sets/72157622549498612/detail They've cleared the northern part of the tunnel for this installation, with most of the stored material moved further south. The installation is a bit south of the old Holborn station, and you can't go much beyond it. It's much bigger than I expected, and makes good use of the tunnel size. It has its own wooden tracks and doesn't make any use of the old tram tracks. There's also the remains of some of the props for the Escapist film, including a Union Street Tube station sign (which has the wrong fonts -- I wonder if they weren't allowed to use the right one?). There's also an old Tube map on Holborn station, dating perhaps from the early post-war period? |
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Thanks for the tip off. I've often stopped at Southampton Row and peered
through the gates down the slope, wondering what lay behind the darkness. Just made my booking so now I'll be able to find out. Victor "Recliner" wrote in message ... "Peter Smyth" wrote in message The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. See http://measure.org.uk/measurenews.html for details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for the alert. I went this lunch time, and here's some of the pics I took: www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/sets/72157622549498612/detail They've cleared the northern part of the tunnel for this installation, with most of the stored material moved further south. The installation is a bit south of the old Holborn station, and you can't go much beyond it. It's much bigger than I expected, and makes good use of the tunnel size. It has its own wooden tracks and doesn't make any use of the old tram tracks. There's also the remains of some of the props for the Escapist film, including a Union Street Tube station sign (which has the wrong fonts -- I wonder if they weren't allowed to use the right one?). There's also an old Tube map on Holborn station, dating perhaps from the early post-war period? |
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Incidentally, the old tube map is also a prop from "The Escapist" with
'Union Station' marked onto a 1938 diagram - see my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/4000962537/ In article , Victor Papa writes Thanks for the tip off. I've often stopped at Southampton Row and peered through the gates down the slope, wondering what lay behind the darkness. Just made my booking so now I'll be able to find out. Victor "Recliner" wrote in message ... "Peter Smyth" wrote in message The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. See http://measure.org.uk/measurenews.html for details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for the alert. I went this lunch time, and here's some of the pics I took: www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/sets/72157622549498612/detail They've cleared the northern part of the tunnel for this installation, with most of the stored material moved further south. The installation is a bit south of the old Holborn station, and you can't go much beyond it. It's much bigger than I expected, and makes good use of the tunnel size. It has its own wooden tracks and doesn't make any use of the old tram tracks. There's also the remains of some of the props for the Escapist film, including a Union Street Tube station sign (which has the wrong fonts -- I wonder if they weren't allowed to use the right one?). There's also an old Tube map on Holborn station, dating perhaps from the early post-war period? -- Steve |
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"Recliner" wrote in message
"Steve" wrote in message Incidentally, the old tube map is also a prop from "The Escapist" with 'Union Station' marked onto a 1938 diagram - see my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/4000962537/ Yes, I only spottesd that subtle edit of the map after posting this comment. It was very well done -- I wonder why they didn't just rename an existing station? Not having seen the film, I don't know if the story line would prohibit that approach. I also wondered about editing a genuine LU map, while producing a station sign with the wrong font (unless that was the correct font in 1939). Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnstone? Oops, of course I meant Johnston. Also, it now looks to me like the original map dates from early 1940, not 1938. |
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"Steve" wrote in message
Incidentally, the old tube map is also a prop from "The Escapist" with 'Union Station' marked onto a 1938 diagram - see my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/4000962537/ Yes, I only spottesd that subtle edit of the map after posting this comment. It was very well done -- I wonder why they didn't just rename an existing station? Not having seen the film, I don't know if the story line would prohibit that approach. I also wondered about editing a genuine LU map, while producing a station sign with the wrong font (unless that was the correct font in 1939). Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnstone? |
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Steve wrote:
Incidentally, the old tube map is also a prop from "The Escapist" with 'Union Station' marked onto a 1938 diagram - see my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/4000962537/ They've put it slightly in the wrong place, though - the real Union Street is north of Borough station, not south of it. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
Steve wrote: Incidentally, the old tube map is also a prop from "The Escapist" with 'Union Station' marked onto a 1938 diagram - see my photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_way/4000962537/ They've put it slightly in the wrong place, though - the real Union Street is north of Borough station, not south of it. Probably laziness -- this seems to be the map they modified: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...maps/1941.html It would have been easier to just plonk their Union Street station in the gap between Borough and Elephant & Castle than to rename Borough to Union Street and move Borough to the left. |
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Recliner wrote:
Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnston? They'd just expect a financial consideration for doing so. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9633103.html (56 050 at Reading, Jul 1985) |
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"Chris Tolley" (ukonline really) wrote in
message Recliner wrote: Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnston? They'd just expect a financial consideration for doing so. The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. As for the font, it's possible to use fonts that aren't quite Johnston, but only an expert would spot the difference. |
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:06:02 +0100, Recliner wrote:
"Chris Tolley" (ukonline really) wrote in message Recliner wrote: Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnston? They'd just expect a financial consideration for doing so. The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. As for the font, it's possible to use fonts that aren't quite Johnston, but only an expert would spot the difference. Quite. LU themselves haven't used it for ages. Johnston's "1" has a slanted top, while LU's has a hook on it. There are plenty of other differences too, for teh expert to feel queasy about. -- on the netbook |
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Recliner wrote:
"Chris Tolley" (ukonline really) wrote in message Recliner wrote: Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnston? They'd just expect a financial consideration for doing so. The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. I don't know what sort of sign you are describing, but Southgate (I think) had a roundel outside with the station name instead of "Underground". |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: "Chris Tolley" (ukonline really) wrote in message Recliner wrote: Would LU stop the film-makers from using something that more closely resembles Johnston? They'd just expect a financial consideration for doing so. The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. I don't know what sort of sign you are describing, but Southgate (I think) had a roundel outside with the station name instead of "Underground". I think that the style of roundel used for the Union Street station name is specifically one that doesn't include station names. It has the two lines with embedded diamonds linking the larger first and last letters (which works with a U and a T, just as it does with a U and a D), but wouldn't work with many other names, nor ones that are much shorter or longer. Roundels with station names are widely used, but without those horizontal lines, or the larger first and last letters. |
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Recliner wrote:
"Basil Jet" wrote in message Recliner wrote: The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. I don't know what sort of sign you are describing, but Southgate (I think) had a roundel outside with the station name instead of "Underground". I think that the style of roundel used for the Union Street station name is specifically one that doesn't include station names. It has the two lines with embedded diamonds linking the larger first and last letters (which works with a U and a T, just as it does with a U and a D), but wouldn't work with many other names, nor ones that are much shorter or longer. Roundels with station names are widely used, but without those horizontal lines, or the larger first and last letters. AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message Recliner wrote: The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. I don't know what sort of sign you are describing, but Southgate (I think) had a roundel outside with the station name instead of "Underground". I think that the style of roundel used for the Union Street station name is specifically one that doesn't include station names. It has the two lines with embedded diamonds linking the larger first and last letters (which works with a U and a T, just as it does with a U and a D), but wouldn't work with many other names, nor ones that are much shorter or longer. Roundels with station names are widely used, but without those horizontal lines, or the larger first and last letters. AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. You may be right -- I don't know. A little Google Street View research may be in order. But that Union Street sign is obviously on the platform wall. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: "Basil Jet" wrote in message Recliner wrote: The funny thing about that station sign is that it's plain wrong, quite apart from the font. It's a modified UndergrounD roundel, with the station name instead of UndergrounD (in the wrong font). Actual LT station roundels from 1940 look quite different, and can cope with longer or shorter station names. I don't know what sort of sign you are describing, but Southgate (I think) had a roundel outside with the station name instead of "Underground". I think that the style of roundel used for the Union Street station name is specifically one that doesn't include station names. It has the two lines with embedded diamonds linking the larger first and last letters (which works with a U and a T, just as it does with a U and a D), but wouldn't work with many other names, nor ones that are much shorter or longer. Roundels with station names are widely used, but without those horizontal lines, or the larger first and last letters. AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. This is what Street View now shows at Southgate: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Southgate,+Enfield,+Gr eater+London+N14,+United+Kingdom&sll=42.213928,-83.193815&sspn=0.082386,0.084629&g=southgate&ie=UT F8&cd=3&geocode=FdLZEwMdHgz-_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Southgate,+Greater+London,+Un ited+Kingdom&ll=51.632398,-0.127354&spn=0.000972,0.003433&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cb ll=51.632547,-0.127723&panoid=Hf3ZVPE0gs7VUw33nTAN3A&cbp=12,252. 23,,0,-4.63 |
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AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. This is what Street View now shows at Southgate: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Southgate,+Enfield... Here is a selection of roundels at Mile End: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour.... 26,,1,-5.74 |
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"David" wrote in message
AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. This is what Street View now shows at Southgate: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Southgate,+Enfield... Here is a selection of roundels at Mile End: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour.... 26,,1,-5.74 That is a motley collection indeed! But none of the three commits the errors that Union Street manages. |
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In article ,
(Recliner) wrote: This is what Street View now shows at Southgate: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...uthgate,+Enfie ld,+Greater+London+N14,+United+Kingdom&sll=42.2139 28,-83.193815&sspn =0.082386,0.084629&g=southgate&ie=UTF8&cd=3&geocod e=FdLZEwMdHgz-_w&s plit=0&hq=&hnear=Southgate,+Greater+London,+United +Kingdom&ll=51.632 398,-0.127354&spn=0.000972,0.003433&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cb ll=51.632547, -0.127723&panoid=Hf3ZVPE0gs7VUw33nTAN3A&cbp=12,252. 23,,0,-4.63 "We could not understand the location Southgate, Greater London, United Ki" here. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...nfield,+Gr ea ter+London+N14,+United+Kingdom&sll=42.213928,-83.193815&sspn=0.082386,0.084 629&g=southgate&ie=UTF8&cd=3&geocode=FdLZEwMdHgz-_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=South gate,+Greater+London,+United+Ki› or http://snipurl.com/siia0 seems to work. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Recliner wrote:
"Peter Smyth" wrote in message The disused Kingsway Tramway will be open for tours from 8th Oct - 8th Nov. See http://measure.org.uk/measurenews.html for details on how to book. Apparently there will be some coloured string to look at as well. Thanks for the alert. I went this lunch time, and here's some of the pics I took: www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/sets/72157622549498612/detail What a load of bobbins! Good pics. tom -- double mashed, future mashed, millennium mashed; man it was mashed |
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David wrote:
AFAIK roundels with station names only now exist on platforms. The one at Southgate was in the street. This is what Street View now shows at Southgate: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Southgate,+Enfield... Here is a selection of roundels at Mile End: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour.... 26,,1,-5.74 applause |
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David writes:
Here is a selection of roundels at Mile End: They're kind of sinister in a group like that... -Miles -- Quotation, n. The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. The words erroneously repeated. |
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Miles Bader wrote:
David writes: Here is a selection of roundels at Mile End: They're kind of sinister in a group like that... Surroundels! |
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