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Buddenbrooks wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25
I disagree on two levels.


?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ?

It can be forced by other factors.

Soldiers don't get a choice, neither do certain other public employees
in the UK.



--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

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"William Black" wrote in message
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It can be forced by other factors.

Soldiers don't get a choice, neither do certain other public employees in
the UK.


Job is generally a lifestyle choice.

Most soldiers I know actually have a private house which will be home once
they cease to be soldiers. Sufficiently common for
special housing law to exist for them to gain vacant possession if they rent
it out.

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Buddenbrooks wrote:

"William Black" wrote in message
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It can be forced by other factors.

Soldiers don't get a choice, neither do certain other public
employees in the UK.


Job is generally a lifestyle choice.

Most soldiers I know actually have a private house which will be home
once they cease to be soldiers.

That's a very 'US centric' state of afairs.

Most of the world's soldiers don't earn enough to own a house

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25
I disagree on two levels.


?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ?


I have to live within quick and easy reach of a particular hospital, a
national centre of excellence in a particular field of medicine, which
dictates a small area in which I have no realistic option but to live.
Otherwise, I would have chosen to live elsewhere.

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"William Black" wrote in message
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That's a very 'US centric' state of afairs.

Most of the world's soldiers don't earn enough to own a house


This is a uk newsgroup discussing transport, mainly within the uk, so I do
not have an issue with a UK centric comment.
British soldiers can consider buying and renting out a house with a view to
using it when they leave the services.

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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"

I have to live within quick and easy reach of a particular hospital, a
national centre of excellence in a particular field of medicine, which
dictates a small area in which I have no realistic option but to live.
Otherwise, I would have chosen to live elsewhere.



OK, there are a few individuals who have their home location outside
their control. Jobs control where you live but jobs are also a lifestyle
choice.
Some people will have more options so will have a wider choice. Most may
go for the default option, but that is a choice.

It may be that one aspect of someone's life totally dominates, but that
does not mean that secondary aspects are not a choice.

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Buddenbrooks wrote:

"William Black" wrote in message
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That's a very 'US centric' state of afairs.

Most of the world's soldiers don't earn enough to own a house


This is a uk newsgroup discussing transport, mainly within the uk, so I
do not have an issue with a UK centric comment.
British soldiers can consider buying and renting out a house with a view
to using it when they leave the services.


Do you have any idea of the proportion who do?

I can assure you it is very small.



--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:38:39 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote:

The lack of service is not acceptable. Having a job involving a lot of
international travel and living a long distance from Heathrow is a lifestyle
choice.
Probably a perfectly valid one.

Indeed - Thiefrow is a poor choice of airport for any travel if there
is a decent alternative.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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In message , at 19:01:26 on Sun,
25 Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked:

?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ?

At the risk of swapping aphorisms, that view is much like "let them eat
cake - because they have that choice".

The rest of the conversation is simply whether or not there's a choice
of icing on the cakes.
--
Roland Perry

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"William Black" wrote in message
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Do you have any idea of the proportion who do?

I can assure you it is very small.

No but when I was a student and after looking to rent property a surprising
% of landlords were soldiers.
My nephew is also doing this.

That however does not indicate how many soldiers do this.

I also work with field engineers who spend most of their time overseas on
expenses who do the same.
Prior to the fad for buy to let of recent years I think a lot of rented
property was bought for future retirement by people who were
not in a position to buy to live in. With high house price inflation not
buying a house while you are working can be risky.

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ?

At the risk of swapping aphorisms, that view is much like "let them eat
cake - because they have that choice".

We are not living in revolutionary France. Even if you are unemployed and
without savings you can choose where you live.
The homeless on the street are generally those with drug or mental health
problems.

I agree that people may feel constrained by family and career restrictions,
but it is a choice to allow those restrictions.

Like most things there are several parameters to consider and fixing one
reduces the choice on others. Even the mega rich like Bill Gates have
restrictions
like having to live in Seattle because his employer is there and no one else
will match the salary :) (Yes I know he has retired now)~

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:38:39 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote:

The lack of service is not acceptable. Having a job involving a lot of
international travel and living a long distance from Heathrow is a
lifestyle
choice.
Probably a perfectly valid one.

Indeed - Thiefrow is a poor choice of airport for any travel if there
is a decent alternative.


No, I was assuming that he has other aspects of his life that are more
important than having to be near his airport of choice.

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"Buddenbrooks" wrote in message



Like most things there are several parameters to consider and fixing
one reduces the choice on others. Even the mega rich like Bill Gates
have restrictions
like having to live in Seattle because his employer is there and no
one else will match the salary :) (Yes I know he has retired now)~

And he doesn't live in Seattle, either. Microsoft is in Redmond and he
lives in nearby Bellevue on Lake Washington (Seattle is on the other
side of the lake, across a congested floating bridge). Of course, he
chose to re-locate Microsoft to Redmond from Albuquerque, New Mexico in
the first place, 30 years ago.

I suppose that was a lifestyle choice, as he came from Seattle. He had
the unusual luxury of moving the company near to his home-town, rather
than the other way round.

Funnily enough, his new charitable foundation actually is located in
Seattle, not far from the famous Space Needle. It's probably a longer
commute for him than Microsoft was.

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:25:01 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote:

No, I was assuming that he has other aspects of his life that are more
important than having to be near his airport of choice.

I was more making the slightly different point that LHR most
definitely is *not* my airport of choice.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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In message , at 18:22:48 on Mon, 26
Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked:
I agree that people may feel constrained by family and career
restrictions, but it is a choice to allow those restrictions.

That's one of the most selfish comments I've seen in a long time.
--
Roland Perry

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:25:01 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"

I was more making the slightly different point that LHR most
definitely is *not* my airport of choice.



Great Western Aerodrome, an excellent choice!

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 18:22:48 on Mon, 26
Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked:
I agree that people may feel constrained by family and career
restrictions, but it is a choice to allow those restrictions.

That's one of the most selfish comments I've seen in a long time.

Nonsense, a specific choice may be selfish, the fact of choices is neutral.
It is the well referred to Career/Family balance. Farmers live and work
close to their families, long haul pilots spend the majority of their lives
at work.
Most of us have skills that give us the choice. I have spent quite a lot of
my life living away during the week, I have colleagues who 'refuse' to stay
overnight away from home.
When they have looked for an Engineer to go to the states for 6 weeks my
hand goes up and his doesn't. It does not matter to the company who goes and
it is a free choice.
If you travel a lot for work then it is your choice. Your skills seem to be
sought after so I expect you could find work that does not require regular
overseas travel.

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In message , at 06:35:42 on Tue, 27 Oct
2009, Buddenbrooks remarked:

I agree that people may feel constrained by family and career
restrictions, but it is a choice to allow those restrictions.

That's one of the most selfish comments I've seen in a long time.

Nonsense, a specific choice may be selfish, the fact of choices is neutral.

The only reason for you mentioning a choice in this context is to
indicate that it's possible to make a choice for one's own convenience,
that disadvantages the other family members.

It is the well referred to Career/Family balance. Farmers live and work
close to their families, long haul pilots spend the majority of their
lives at work.
Most of us have skills that give us the choice.

You are making a big assumption that it is employment prospects that
mainly govern "choices" about where someone lives. As almost all my work
is telecommuting or attending distant conferences, my "choice" of client
is therefore completely disjoint from my home location (with the
pedantic exception that I would be in difficulty living somewhere
without broadband availability).

If you travel a lot for work then it is your choice. Your skills seem
to be sought after so I expect you could find work that does not
require regular overseas travel.

In fact, the travel I was complaining about, which started the
discussion of "choices", was domestic. A trip to London by train.

If I could choose to live anywhere in the world, it might well be in a
flat overlooking Hyde Park. Why that's not very likely to happen, I will
leave as an exercise for the reader.
--
Roland Perry