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The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it
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The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? As a route to the O2, it probably is. |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside Out program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British. B2003 |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000 "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside Out program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British. Tune Lines -- the truly "British" company, wholly owned by Ferrovial and Bechtel. |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message ... wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Doesn't the DLR do that? Kevin |
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On 8 Nov, 20:12, "Zen83237" wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message ... wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Doesn't the DLR do that? Kevin Not very often these days. But anyway, it's not so much the Isle of Dogs as the Greenwich Peninsula. |
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On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:12:23PM -0000, Zen83237 wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Doesn't the DLR do that? Not really. The DLR will dump you in Greenwich, from where you'll have to get a train to London Bridge to get to pretty nearly anywhere else. The Jubilee line, on the other hand, will take you directly to useful places (like London Bridge or Waterloo), and will do it a lot quicker too. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist More people are driven insane through religious hysteria than by drinking alcohol. -- W C Fields |
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On Oct 29, 11:51*am, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:07 -0000 "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside Out program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British. e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:19:04 -0800 (PST)
John B wrote: Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside O= ut program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British. e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France. I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did they? B2003 |
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On Nov 9, 3:35*pm, wrote:
Not sure if its been mentioned already , but did anyone see that Inside O= ut program the other day which compared the idiotic closures of lines for maintenance against the regime in Paris where they were converting an entire line to automatic operation without disrupting the service at all? Everything was done at night. They compared the can-do attitude of the people there with the standard issue whinging and moaning of the people from Tubelines. Sometimes its embarrasing to be British. e.g. when our media lie that public transport quality / worker morale / can-do-ism is lower here than in bleedin' France. I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did they? Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades, whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST)
John B wrote: I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did the= y? Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades, whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as If TfL and their sub-cons did their job properly then delivering peak hour services wouldn't be the slightest bit affected by night engineering works which would be done when the system is closed anyway. rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend. Yes, because obviously no one works or needs to travel into or through london at weekends so hardly anyone is affected. B2003 |
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On Nov 9, 4:59*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST) John B wrote: I guess they made up the fact that they did all the work at night did the= y? Err, no. That just shows that RATP is willing to allow engineering works to take longer and cost more in exchange for avoiding blockades, whereas TfL and TL view their core priority as delivering the weekday peak-hour service and so prioritise the delivery of upgrades as If TfL and their sub-cons did their job properly then delivering peak hour services wouldn't be the slightest bit affected by night engineering works which would be done when the system is closed anyway. Yes. And they do (do the job properly), and so they aren't (affected). But obviously, if you only carry engineering work out at night and not at weekends, then it takes longer for it to get finished, and so commuters in the weekday peak have to wait longer for capacity and reliability improvements. rapidly as possible, even when that involves shifting people onto buses, boats and probably cars a bit at the weekend. Yes, because obviously no one works or needs to travel into or through london at weekends so hardly anyone is affected. The difference is, at weekends it might be a pain but the rest of the network has capacity. In the weekday peak, it doesn't. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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"David Cantrell" wrote in message k... On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:12:23PM -0000, Zen83237 wrote: "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: wrote: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Doesn't the DLR do that? Not really. The DLR will dump you in Greenwich, from where you'll have to get a train to London Bridge to get to pretty nearly anywhere else. The Jubilee line, on the other hand, will take you directly to useful places (like London Bridge or Waterloo), and will do it a lot quicker too. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist More people are driven insane through religious hysteria than by drinking alcohol. -- W C Fields errrr if you want to go from Isle of Dogs to London Bridge/Waterloo what is wrong with the DLR to Bank. The poster specified connecting the Isle of Dogs to south of the river. DLR to Greenwich full fills that. Unless you want to go the Dome, lets call it what it is, who goes to North Greenwich. |
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In message , David
Cantrell writes The DLR will dump you in Greenwich, from where you'll have to get a train to London Bridge to get to pretty nearly anywhere else. The Jubilee line, on the other hand, will take you directly to useful places (like London Bridge or Waterloo), and will do it a lot quicker too. Surely National Rail from Greenwich still goes to London Bridge and Waterloo - it also goes to Charing Cross, unlike the Jubilee. -- Paul Terry |
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On 9 Nov, 19:23, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , David Cantrell writes The DLR will dump you in Greenwich, from where you'll have to get a train to London Bridge to get to pretty nearly anywhere else. The Jubilee line, on the other hand, will take you directly to useful places (like London Bridge or Waterloo), and will do it a lot quicker too. Surely National Rail from Greenwich still goes to London Bridge and Waterloo - it also goes to Charing Cross, unlike the Jubilee. -- Paul Terry Again, only the Jubilee goes to the Greenwich peninsula. |
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On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 07:23:22PM +0000, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , David Cantrell writes The DLR will dump you in Greenwich, from where you'll have to get a train to London Bridge to get to pretty nearly anywhere else. The Jubilee line, on the other hand, will take you directly to useful places (like London Bridge or Waterloo), and will do it a lot quicker too. Surely National Rail from Greenwich still goes to London Bridge and Waterloo Yes. It does it slower than the Jubilee line, less often, and with an additional inconvenient change. This sub-thread started off with: The Jubilee line is only running between Waterloo and North Greenwich is it really worth having it open? Yes. It provides a vital link across the Isle of Dogs, in turn connecting East London to South London without the need to go through the centre. Doesn't the DLR do that? My point is that the DLR does a ****-poor job of connecting East London to South London. In fact, it is only useful for that if you are only interested in Greenwich or Lewisham. Needless to say, those who live in Croydon, or Crystal Palace, or Sutton, or several zillion other places in South London, find the DLR to be about as useful for getting to the East End as a chocolate bicycle would be. -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla. |
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Zen83237 wrote:
Unless you want to go the Dome, lets call it what it is, who goes to North Greenwich. At least one courier firm has its depot on the pennisula, on the road leading to the Blackwall tunnel. I've had to trek down there to collect packages because the useless sods couldn't deliver properly. |
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Zen83237 wrote:
Unless you want to go the Dome, lets call it what it is, who goes to North Greenwich. It's one of the most heavily used stations on the tube. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:12:07 +0000, Basil Jet wrote:
Zen83237 wrote: Unless you want to go the Dome, lets call it what it is, who goes to North Greenwich. It's one of the most heavily used stations on the tube. Yup. Loads and loads of buses go from there to outside the tube station to Woolwich, Blackheath, Charlton, Plumstead....I regularly get the tube from Canary Wharf to Stratford, and the tube empties substantially at North Greenwich, regardless of events at the O2.... |
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On Feb 13, 9:04*am, Martin Petrov wrote: On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:12:07 +0000, Basil Jet wrote: Zen83237 wrote: Unless you want to go the Dome, lets call it what it is, who goes to North Greenwich. It's one of the most heavily used stations on the tube. Yup. Loads and loads of buses go from there to outside the tube station to Woolwich, Blackheath, Charlton, Plumstead....I regularly get the tube from Canary Wharf to Stratford, and the tube empties substantially at North Greenwich, regardless of events at the O2.... Agreed. It's a very significant bus hub. The total number of entries and exits for North Greenwich in 2008 was 17.76 million. See the LU customer metrics mini-site he http://tinyurl.com/LU-customer-metrics I wonder whether there'll be a bit of a shift towards people using Southeastern's "Metro" mainline services in those parts of SE London now than Oyster PAYG is accepted. Also, off on a tangent, North Greenwich station should really have been named Greenwich Peninsula! |
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Mizter T wrote:
Also, off on a tangent, North Greenwich station should really have been named Greenwich Peninsula! "DOME" would look better on a roundel. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
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On 13 Feb, 14:30, "Basil Jet"
wrote: Mizter T wrote: Also, off on a tangent, North Greenwich station should really have been named Greenwich Peninsula! "DOME" would look better on a roundel. -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. Or how about "BUS"? The reason why the interchange is so heavily used is purely because it's an interchange. What choice do people really have? With so many bus routes diverted there, loads of bus journeys involve two sides of a triangle, the apex of which is North Greenwich. It's not that people actually want to be there. I'm sure they'd take a direct route if they could. |
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On Feb 13, 8:53*pm, MIG wrote: On 13 Feb, 14:30, "Basil Jet" wrote: Mizter T wrote: Also, off on a tangent, North Greenwich station should really have been named Greenwich Peninsula! "DOME" would look better on a roundel. Or how about "BUS"? The reason why the interchange is so heavily used is purely because it's an interchange. *What choice do people really have? *With so many bus routes diverted there, loads of bus journeys involve two sides of a triangle, the apex of which is North Greenwich. It's not that people actually want to be there. *I'm sure they'd take a direct route if they could. A point which rather overlooks the somewhat fundamental tube-bus interchange element... |
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On 13 Feb, 23:59, Mizter T wrote:
On Feb 13, 8:53*pm, MIG wrote: On 13 Feb, 14:30, "Basil Jet" wrote: Mizter T wrote: Also, off on a tangent, North Greenwich station should really have been named Greenwich Peninsula! "DOME" would look better on a roundel. Or how about "BUS"? The reason why the interchange is so heavily used is purely because it's an interchange. *What choice do people really have? *With so many bus routes diverted there, loads of bus journeys involve two sides of a triangle, the apex of which is North Greenwich. It's not that people actually want to be there. *I'm sure they'd take a direct route if they could. A point which rather overlooks the somewhat fundamental tube-bus interchange element... But it's only that because they diverted all the bus routes there, or else it wouldn't be. No doubt there are physical reasons why they couldn't divert all the routes to another train/Underground hub in quite the same way. I'm not saying that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a pure transport interchange, just that I think it's been overdone to the neglect of actual places. When I bought a rather heavy item in the retail park at the south end of the Greenwich peninsula, the only way I could get a bus towards Blackheath and beyond* was by getting a bus north to North Greenwich and then another one south again at a different angle. You'd think that a major retail/cinema park in the Greenwich penininsula would have buses towards Greenwich, Blackheath etc, but it didn't at the time. Only to the accursed North Greenwich or Woolwich. Looking at the latest maps, the 108 route may have been diverted favourably, but the experience has tarnished the setup for me. *Wish I could remember what I was doing. I think I got a 54 to somewhere, hoiking a lump of cast iron on and off three buses in the end. |
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MIG wrote:
When I bought a rather heavy item in the retail park at the south end of the Greenwich peninsula, the only way I could get a bus towards Blackheath and beyond* was by getting a bus north to North Greenwich and then another one south again at a different angle. You'd think that a major retail/cinema park in the Greenwich penininsula would have buses towards Greenwich, Blackheath etc, but it didn't at the time. Only to the accursed North Greenwich or Woolwich. I had a similar experience when collecting a package one Saturday morning a few years ago. The information at the bus station is not very good at aligning stop names to maps and I found that the bus route basically took me the long way down a road only to come back up the other side and there was no warning that the last stop on the peninsula was ages before the tunnel with the result that I got taken through it. All I wanted to do was reach the courier depot, a seemingly impossible task to do on foot either. |
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