Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

Bonsoir!

D7666 wrote:

It is about the 42nd time I've mentioned Avanto in various thread in
this forum over recent years, yet every new thread about tram/trains
trots out the same uninformed drivel about perceived 25 kV / 750 V
trams not exisitng, need to re-wire 25 kV to 750 V etc, when they do
exist and are well proven. There are even electro-diesel options
although not sure if any of those have actually been built yet.

You can go to Alstom, last type on the following page:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/ge...rmany_rbk.html

Cheers,

Johannes.

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
Tom Anderson wrote:

Does it really make sense to have a dedicated maintenance facility just
for this one tram?

Given that a passing loop is apparently one of the main reasons for the
project, I suspect there may be more than one tram :)


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Sorry what project. Watford needs another expensive talking shop like a hole
in the head.

Kevin

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
rth.li...
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Peter Masson wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote

Does it really make sense to have a dedicated maintenance facility just
for
this one tram? Or when we say 'depot', do we mean 'somewhere to sleep at
night plus somewhere for light maintenance eg changing the light bulbs',
with heavy work being done at an existing major depot reached by rail or
low-loader?

We have the precedent of the Stourbridge PPMs, which have their own
little shed at the Junction. For that matter, Waterloo (W&C) manages all
the maintenance for the W&C trains, except when, after around 15 years,
they had to be craned out and taken away for overhaul. And Ryde shed
copes with maintaining the 70-year-old Island Line stock.

Waterloo and Ryde lack rail connections - or easy low-loader access - to
the rest of the network, so there, sending trains away for regular work
would be exorbitantly expensive, hence having their own little heavy
workshops makes sense.

I'm afraid i'm not familiar with Stourbridge, its trains, or its acronyms.
Although on googling, i find this is one of those clever Parry People
Mover things. My questions there are (a) is all maintenance handled at the
local depot, or do they ever go elsewhere,

They seem to go back to Parry for warranty "adjustments", but AIUI
refuelling and minor servicing do occur at their little shed.

(b) are the vehicles so
different to normal trains that there would be no cost saving in
co-locating their workshop with a normal train depot

Probably, more to the point, as the cars do not conform AIUI to railway
vehicle standards, they cannot be operated as a normal working over the
network. Access to the mainline is indirect.

The design of several aspects of the vehicles, especially the electrics, was
changed to conform to rail industry practice rather than bus industry
practice - so that attention could be given if needed at rail depots.


and (c) is this at
all an artifact of this being a bit of an experimental pilot scheme?

In part, yes.


tom

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DW downunder

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :- http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Burkey

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:57:40 GMT, "Peter Lawrence"
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:32:06 -0800 (PST), burkey
wrote:

Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :- http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Thanks. However my computer tells me the consultation pdf is damaged.
Has anyone else met this problem?


No, it worked fine for me. I use Adobe Reader 9.1.0.

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:32:06 -0800 (PST), burkey
wrote:

Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :- http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Thanks. However my computer tells me the consultation pdf is damaged.
Has anyone else met this problem?
--
Peter Lawrence

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On 7 Jan, 20:57, "Peter Lawrence" wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:32:06 -0800 (PST), burkey

wrote:
Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :-http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Thanks. *However my computer tells me the consultation pdf is damaged.
Has anyone else met this problem?

Mine tells me it's in a newer version that may not display correctly
(although it looks fine at a glance). I think by default it's using
Acrobat 7.0 rather than the latest Acrobat Reader.

Could probably save it and get the latest reader and open it from
that, if necessary.

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On Jan 4, 8:32*pm, burkey wrote:
Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :-http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Excellent. I shall be pressing for Bistrotrams at the earliest
opportunity.

http://www.rheinbahn.de/SiteCollecti...tro2_klein.jpg

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On 31 Oct 2009, 03:45, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
7) extensions would of course be on County Councillors' minds, subject as
always to business case and expenditure priorities.

DW down under

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
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...
On 31 Oct 2009, 03:45, "DW downunder" noname wrote:
7) extensions would of course be on County Councillors' minds, subject as
always to business case and expenditure priorities.

DW down under

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

Been threaded at ukr already. Answer - cost.

DW

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

lonelytraveller wrote:

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

Why on earth do that? It's a tram - it doesn't have the same constraints on
gradient and curvature as a train. If you're going to extend it in what is
largely countryside, you can put it pretty much anywhere, and former railway
alignments are not much more useful than anywhere else. Extending the other
end to Redbourn, Luton Airport Parkway and Luton Airport Terminal is the
same distance as your proposal, probably cheaper and about a million times
more useful.

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Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On 8 Jan, 02:08, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
lonelytraveller wrote:

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

Why on earth do that? It's a tram - it doesn't have the same constraints on
gradient and curvature as a train. If you're going to extend it in what is
largely countryside, you can put it pretty much anywhere, and former railway
alignments are not much more useful than anywhere else. Extending the other
end to Redbourn, Luton Airport Parkway and Luton Airport Terminal is the
same distance as your proposal, probably cheaper and about a million times
more useful.

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

I'd argue that extending to Hatfield Station via the Galleria would be
more useful than Luton. I don't like the idea of on-street extensions
though. The line is too important as a part of a potential orbital
route. Slow all-stops tram services will make end-to-end journey times
far too long.

By all means run trams on it /now/ to build up ridership to the point
building up the infrastructure can be justified, but the end state
needs to be the return of heavy rail catering to end-to-end fast
services. I do wish there was a handy old flyunder already south of WJ
though.

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

"lonelytraveller" wrote

[snip]

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

There isn't any disused Rickmansworth branch any more. All there are
nowadays is two routes very much NOT disused, the canal towpath, and
the Ebury Way. You would be about equally unpopular trying to take
over either one.

By far the most popular project that the National Lottery's
Millennium Fund ever financed was the National Cycle Network. If
you try to destroy it, you will not be popular.

Jeremy Parker

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

On Jan 8, 7:57*pm, "Jeremy Parker"
wrote:
"lonelytraveller" wrote

[snip]

What about a diveunder under the mainline at watford junction, and
then taking over the disused rickmansworth branch, and thence to
chalfont & latimer - to take over the chesham branch of the met?

There isn't any disused Rickmansworth branch any more. *All there are
nowadays is two routes very much NOT disused, the canal towpath, and
the Ebury Way. *You would be about equally unpopular trying to take
over either one.

By far the most popular project that the National Lottery's
Millennium Fund *ever financed was the National Cycle Network. *If
you try to destroy it, you will not be popular.

Jeremy Parker

Quite.

I figured more along the lines of using spare capacity on the Watford
branch of the Met myself.

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

"EE507" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:32 pm, burkey wrote:
Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :-http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Excellent. I shall be pressing for Bistrotrams at the earliest
opportunity.

http://www.rheinbahn.de/SiteCollecti...tro2_klein.jpg

Something similar would be a good thing, between Gosport and Fareham.
Oh, wait......

Lord Adonis announces tram-trains for the Abbey Line
 

In message
"Ian" wrote:


"EE507" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 8:32 pm, burkey wrote:
Consultation on the Abbey Line tram-trains has now started.

Details at :-http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-05/

Excellent. I shall be pressing for Bistrotrams at the earliest
opportunity.

Why do I keep reading that as Bistotrams? insert comments about gravy trains
here

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