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Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West Harrow
and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

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"Basil Jet" wrote in message

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and the
terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service, and
maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:30:52 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote:

"Basil Jet" wrote in message

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and
the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service,
and maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

And your comments have also prompted the thought that the figures
might have been produced when T4 station and the loop was closed to
allow the T5 junction to be built.

I wondered about that, too, but I think that the T4 station was fully
reopened in 2006, while this report covers 2008, so the traffic
shouldn't have been affected by the junction construction work. But it
does cover the period when T5 opened, and BA flights were transferred in
waves from T1 and T4. The T2 airlines' move to T4 was delayed, and is
still not complete. So T4 has had significantly less traffic since March
2008 than it did previously, or is likely to have from 2010, when T2
will be shut. Even then, I'm not sure if the new tenants will generate
as much traffic as BA did.

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Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009 13:30:52 ...
"Basil Jet" wrote in message


Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and the
terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service,

Alternate Heathrow Piccadilly trains serve T4, which therefore has a
train every 10 minutes, which is the same frequency as trains to T5.

and maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

It's actually the Heathrow Connect trains that provide the free T4T123
service, 4 trains per hour, with alternate trains running through to
Paddington. The lower fares on HC (compared to HEx) may tempt more
people to take the faster alternative to the Piccadilly than at T5.

--
Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
13:30:52 ...
"Basil Jet" wrote in message


Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and
the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service,

Alternate Heathrow Piccadilly trains serve T4, which therefore has a
train every 10 minutes, which is the same frequency as trains to T5.

True, but as T5 has never been better, it somehow doesn't seem so bad
(yes, I know that's irrational). T4 used to have twice the frequency,
and without the long station dwell time, too.


and maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

It's actually the Heathrow Connect trains that provide the free
T4T123 service, 4 trains per hour, with alternate trains running
through to Paddington. The lower fares on HC (compared to HEx) may
tempt more people to take the faster alternative to the Piccadilly
than at T5.

Good point -- I hadn't thought of that. The last time I used it, it was
still HEx, and I'd forgotten that HC had now taken over this service.

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In message , Recliner
writes

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...s/passenger-nu
mbers-at-underground-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and the
terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service, and
maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

It has the same level of service as T5 (every 10 minutes). I'm noticing
it to be much busier on my trips through the past few weeks so something
must have happened.
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You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
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Recliner wrote:

T4 used to have twice the frequency,
and without the long station dwell time, too.

The dwell time at T4 doesn't affect people using T4.

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Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009 16:24:53 ...
"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
13:30:52 ...
"Basil Jet" wrote in message


Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and
the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service,

Alternate Heathrow Piccadilly trains serve T4, which therefore has a
train every 10 minutes, which is the same frequency as trains to T5.

True, but as T5 has never been better, it somehow doesn't seem so bad
(yes, I know that's irrational). T4 used to have twice the frequency,
and without the long station dwell time, too.

That's irrational too! :-)
The long dwell time is irrelevant to passengers catching a flight from
T4, but is a benefit for passengers flying into T4 as they are more
likely to find a train already waiting for them in the platform.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message

In message , Recliner
writes

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...s/passenger-nu
mbers-at-underground-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be lower
than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving out and
the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants (Air France,
Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor Tube service,
and maybe some pax use the free Heathrow Express service to T123.

It has the same level of service as T5 (every 10 minutes). I'm
noticing it to be much busier on my trips through the past few weeks
so something must have happened.

Probably because more airlines have recently moved there from T2 and T3
(though BA and Qantas kangaroo route flights have moved from T4 to T3):
www.businesstraveller.com/news/heathrow-terminal-moves-update

T2 closes at the end of this month, but must already be something of a
shabby ghost town, as most of its tenants have departed.

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"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
16:24:53 ...
"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
13:30:52 ...
"Basil Jet" wrote in
message

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be
lower than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving
out and the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants
(Air France, Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor
Tube service,

Alternate Heathrow Piccadilly trains serve T4, which therefore has a
train every 10 minutes, which is the same frequency as trains to T5.

True, but as T5 has never been better, it somehow doesn't seem so bad
(yes, I know that's irrational). T4 used to have twice the frequency,
and without the long station dwell time, too.

That's irrational too! :-)
The long dwell time is irrelevant to passengers catching a flight from
T4, but is a benefit for passengers flying into T4 as they are more
likely to find a train already waiting for them in the platform.

But it's a disincentive to T1 pax to take T4-T123 trains, which work
out slower than taking the following T123-T5 service (which is likely to
be much more crowded).

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Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009 16:44:23 ...
"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
16:24:53 ...
"Richard J." wrote in message

Recliner wrote on 15 November 2009
13:30:52 ...
"Basil Jet" wrote in
message

Apparently Heathrow T4 tube station has fewer passengers than West
Harrow and West Finchley!
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-stations.pdf

T4 is the quietest Heathrow LU station, but the numbers may be
lower than usual as that report covers a period when BA was moving
out and the terminal was being refurbished for its new tenants
(Air France, Alitalia, etc). The T4 station also has quite a poor
Tube service,

Alternate Heathrow Piccadilly trains serve T4, which therefore has a
train every 10 minutes, which is the same frequency as trains to T5.

True, but as T5 has never been better, it somehow doesn't seem so bad
(yes, I know that's irrational). T4 used to have twice the frequency,
and without the long station dwell time, too.

That's irrational too! :-)
The long dwell time is irrelevant to passengers catching a flight from
T4, but is a benefit for passengers flying into T4 as they are more
likely to find a train already waiting for them in the platform.

But it's a disincentive to T1 pax to take T4-T123 trains, which work
out slower than taking the following T123-T5 service (which is likely to
be much more crowded).

So that's another good feature of the "poor" T4 service - it's less crowded!

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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On Nov 15, 3:41*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
Probably because more airlines have recently moved there from T2 and T3
(though BA and Qantas kangaroo route flights have moved from T4 to T3):
www.businesstraveller.com/news/heathrow-terminal-moves-update

Building T5 too small to take Qantas flights has got to be the most
epically stupid move by BAA *ever* (ideally, it'd be big enough to
take Iberia, AA and all the OneWorld carriers, but not having the
shared Oz flights is just weird).

T2 closes at the end of this month, but must already be something of a
shabby ghost town, as most of its tenants have departed.

Hadn't realised there was anything left there, to be honest.


--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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"John B" wrote in message

On Nov 15, 3:41 pm, "Recliner" wrote:
Probably because more airlines have recently moved there from T2 and
T3 (though BA and Qantas kangaroo route flights have moved from T4
to T3):
www.businesstraveller.com/news/heathrow-terminal-moves-update

Building T5 too small to take Qantas flights has got to be the most
epically stupid move by BAA *ever* (ideally, it'd be big enough to
take Iberia, AA and all the OneWorld carriers, but not having the
shared Oz flights is just weird).

The problem is that there wasn't room for a third satellite without
encroaching on to T3 and the fuel farm. Perhaps when T3 is redeveloped,
a new satellite attached to T5 will be built?

What I fail to understand is why the second satellite (5C) wasn't
scheduled to open at the same time as the rest of T5. It must surely be
more expensive to complete it surrounded by active taxiways and parked
planes than it would have been to do so when the rest of T5 was also a
building site.

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"Recliner" gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

What I fail to understand is why the second satellite (5C) wasn't
scheduled to open at the same time as the rest of T5. It must surely be
more expensive to complete it surrounded by active taxiways and parked
planes than it would have been to do so when the rest of T5 was also a
building site.

I suspect that the additional cost of building it surrounded by "working
terminal" is less than the cost of delaying T5 until that bit was
finished...

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"Adrian" wrote in message

"Recliner" gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

What I fail to understand is why the second satellite (5C) wasn't
scheduled to open at the same time as the rest of T5. It must surely
be more expensive to complete it surrounded by active taxiways and
parked planes than it would have been to do so when the rest of T5
was also a building site.

I suspect that the additional cost of building it surrounded by
"working terminal" is less than the cost of delaying T5 until that
bit was finished...

But it's not as if 5C is late -- it was always scheduled to be built a
couple of years later