Roland Perry wrote:


Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's
a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of
the Minister who posted this morning:

"Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay
as you go for ALL overground services in London from January
2nd."

His emphasis on "ALL".


To be fair, Mr. Khan got an immediate query from myself saying 'what,
even Heathrow' to which I have, as yet, not had a reply. Minor issue,
really, but (like the Thames Clipper lack of true PAYG integration)
nothing must detract from the great politicians and their PR opportunity.

Tom

On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
05:50:38 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull
remarked:

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's
a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of
the Minister who posted this morning:

* * * * "Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay
* * * * as you go for ALL overground services in London from January
* * * * 2nd."

His emphasis on "ALL".

Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow
Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something
else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter?
--
Roland Perry

There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately
by BAA, not an ATOC company.

"Abigail Brady" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo...

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...


Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Abigail Brady" wrote in message

...



On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo....

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release
(they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section)

You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were
you?!

On 23 Nov, 17:04, John Bull wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:56*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





"Abigail Brady" wrote in message

....

On Nov 23, 10:40 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The Standard's story seems to be more thorough though:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23773539-one-ticket-fo...

Bit of a non-sequitur he

:It means the farthest stop away from London passengers will be able
to use their Oyster card will be Watford.

Even ignoring the little issue that Amersham is a fair bit further,
Watford [Met/Junction/High Street] are all Oyster PAYG enabled
already. *I posted a comment pointing this out - we'll see if it gets
through moderation. *It's almost as if the Standard have people
writing articles on topics they know nothing about...

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... *The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single..

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Paul S

That box is repeated wholesale from the official press release
(they're listed as a table in the "notes to editors" section)

You weren't thinking the Metro actually indulged in some research were
you?!-

Is it what the cash fare will be increased to, to coerce people into
using Oyster?

That's the kind of "reduction" that happened on LU.

In message , Paul Scott
writes

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the
information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors.

The original PDF makes it clear that the £5 Surbiton ticket will become
£4.90 using PAYG Oyster in peak-time. It only comes down to £3.20 if
using PAYG Oyster at an off-peak time.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is
clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus
(single cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak)
using PAYG.

--
Paul Terry

In message , Paul Terry
writes

I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the
information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors.

The original, incidentally, is at:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ster-fares.pdf

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Paul Scott
writes

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is
clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus (single
cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak) using PAYG.


Thanks - i.e. a current 'Surbiton to U1' peak single fare.

Paul S

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Did I read correctly that off-peak singles and returns on paper are
disappearing, thus causing a LUL-style "penalty for not using Oyster"
situation?

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

Did I read correctly that off-peak singles and returns on paper are
disappearing, thus causing a LUL-style "penalty for not using Oyster"
situation?

I'm reading it that singles will still be there, but the same price, eg
SWT's release only says that 'offpeak returns are being withdrawn' implying
peak and offpeak singles will still be there.

It would be madness on the 2nd Jan if single paper tickets weren't
available, and they'll have to have a parallel system of paper tickets
anyway for journeys into and out of 'London'.

Paul S