The BBC article[1] quotes the 'Mayor's Transport Spokesman' as saying
that Oyster will offer the cheapest fare available; "the only
exceptions are holders of certain national railcards for whom cheaper
paper tickets for travel on national rail maybe available."

I thought there'd been mention of the appropriate discounted PAYG
fares being available to those with their Railcard loaded onto their
Oystercard?

- martin (lamenting the fast approaching expiry date of his last
16-25 railcard)

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8373913.stm

In message , Paul Scott
writes

Having read it at leisure now, the first fare example seems to be total
********:

"The biggest savings will be on long journeys, such as between Surbiton in
Zone 6 and Waterloo for which the off-peak price will fall from £5 to
£3.20."

Actually, no... The current Anytime (peak) single is £5.00, the Anytime
(peak) return is £9.80, but the Offpeak return is £6.50. So typically, to
get their wonderful reduction they are comparing a return with a single.

I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the
information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors.

The original PDF makes it clear that the £5 Surbiton ticket will become
£4.90 using PAYG Oyster in peak-time. It only comes down to £3.20 if
using PAYG Oyster at an off-peak time.

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is
clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus
(single cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak)
using PAYG.

--
Paul Terry

Roland Perry wrote:


Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's
a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of
the Minister who posted this morning:

"Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay
as you go for ALL overground services in London from January
2nd."

His emphasis on "ALL".


To be fair, Mr. Khan got an immediate query from myself saying 'what,
even Heathrow' to which I have, as yet, not had a reply. Minor issue,
really, but (like the Thames Clipper lack of true PAYG integration)
nothing must detract from the great politicians and their PR opportunity.

Tom

In message , Paul Terry
writes

I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the
information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors.

The original, incidentally, is at:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ster-fares.pdf

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Paul Scott
writes

Similarly, if anyone has seen today's Metro freesheet, they seem to have a
table of fictitious current figures as well. Their 'single cash fare' for
Surbiton - Waterloo is £7.00. Where has that come from?

Again, incompetent transfer of data from the original PDF, where it is
clear that £7 is the current price from Surbiton to Oxford Circus (single
cash fare). That comes down to £6 (peak) or £4.30 (off-peak) using PAYG.


Thanks - i.e. a current 'Surbiton to U1' peak single fare.

Paul S

On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
05:50:38 on Mon, 23 Nov 2009, John Bull
remarked:

And is the inclusion of overground services to Heathrow an indication that
Heathrow Connect will be an Oysterable service?

Paul Scott is correct - Heathrow Connect beyond H&H is not covered by
Oyster.

Now that a higher resolution copy of the map has appeared here, there's
a disclaimer confirming this. Unfortunately, it seems to make a liar of
the Minister who posted this morning:

* * * * "Just joined Lord Adonis and Boris Johnson to launch Oyster pay
* * * * as you go for ALL overground services in London from January
* * * * 2nd."

His emphasis on "ALL".

Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow
Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something
else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter?
--
Roland Perry

There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately
by BAA, not an ATOC company.

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message , Paul Terry
writes

I think some of this has come about through incompetent transfer of the
information in the "sample fares" PDF to plain text by various editors.

The original, incidentally, is at:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ster-fares.pdf


Yes - so by conveniently neglecting to mention the current NR Offpeak Day
Returns (CDR), they have exaggerated the improvements significantly IMO...

Paul S

In message
,
Chris writes

On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote:

Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow
Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something
else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter?

There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately
by BAA, not an ATOC company.

I don't think being a member (or not) of ATOC is the reason. After all,
people will not be able to use Oyster on the Olympic Javelin, which is
to be run by SouthEastern, an ATOC company.

I guess a decision was made to exclude certain premium services of this
kind.
--
Paul Terry

In message , Paul Scott
writes

Yes - so by conveniently neglecting to mention the current NR Offpeak Day
Returns (CDR), they have exaggerated the improvements significantly IMO...

Oh yes, I agree. The entire process reveals TfL's preoccupation with
single fares and ignores the significant reductions that can be obtained
with an NR cheap day return.
--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote:
In message
,
Chris writes

On 23 Nov, 15:13, Roland Perry wrote:

Or is there some microscopic wriggle-room that decides a Heathrow
Connect train is "overground" as far as H&H, but then becomes something
else (surely not "underground, wombling free") thereafter?

There is - from Hayes & Harlington, the service is operated privately
by BAA, not an ATOC company.

I don't think being a member (or not) of ATOC is the reason. After all,
people will not be able to use Oyster on the Olympic Javelin, which is
to be run by SouthEastern, an ATOC company.

My understanding - which may be wrong - was that the Olympic Javelin
will technically be an ODA service, with Southeastern just being the
ODA's operating subcontractor.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK