On Nov 23, 1:27 pm, Tristan Miller
wrote:
And if I meet a ticket inspector on the train to Liverpool Street, they're
just going to take my word that I boarded at Maryland rather than, say,
Shenfield (or some other Zone 3 station without barriers)? That seems
rather open to abuse.

It's not a question of "take your word for it". You have a valid
ticket for where the ticket inspector found you. If you had a paper
ticket from Maryland to Liverpool Street, wouldn't the same question
arise?

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Abi

On 23 Nov, 13:56, Abigail Brady wrote:
On Nov 23, 1:27 pm, Tristan Miller
wrote:

And if I meet a ticket inspector on the train to Liverpool Street, they're
just going to take my word that I boarded at Maryland rather than, say,
Shenfield (or some other Zone 3 station without barriers)? *That seems
rather open to abuse.

It's not a question of "take your word for it". *You have a valid
ticket for where the ticket inspector found you. *If you had a paper
ticket from Maryland to Liverpool Street, wouldn't the same question
arise?

He does have a point though. Although with paper tickets, as you
imply, there has always been an assumption of innocence, with Oyster
PAYG an assumption of guilt has been built in from the start.

It didn't affect travelcards till now, although the dreaded OEP is
about to kick in (eg if he intended to extend to Ilford on PAYG having
touched in at Liverpool Street).

On 23 Nov, 14:05, MIG wrote:
On 23 Nov, 13:56, Abigail Brady wrote:

On Nov 23, 1:27 pm, Tristan Miller
wrote:

And if I meet a ticket inspector on the train to Liverpool Street, they're
just going to take my word that I boarded at Maryland rather than, say,
Shenfield (or some other Zone 3 station without barriers)? *That seems
rather open to abuse.

It's not a question of "take your word for it". *You have a valid
ticket for where the ticket inspector found you. *If you had a paper
ticket from Maryland to Liverpool Street, wouldn't the same question
arise?

He does have a point though. *Although with paper tickets, as you
imply, there has always been an assumption of innocence, with Oyster
PAYG an assumption of guilt has been built in from the start.

It didn't affect travelcards till now, although the dreaded OEP is
about to kick in (eg if he intended to extend to Ilford on PAYG having
touched in at Liverpool Street).

Yes but with the exemple given he is not using PAYG. He has a
travelcard which happens to be on an Oyster card. Exactly the same as
a paper travel card.

And is this OEP really going to happen. Cant see any mention in any
of the recent publicity.

Greetings.

In article 6a2c18a1-7885-4075-
, Abigail Brady wrote:

On Nov 23, 1:27 pm, Tristan Miller
wrote:
And if I meet a ticket inspector on the train to Liverpool Street,
they're just going to take my word that I boarded at Maryland rather
than, say,
Shenfield (or some other Zone 3 station without barriers)? That seems
rather open to abuse.

It's not a question of "take your word for it". You have a valid
ticket for where the ticket inspector found you. If you had a paper
ticket from Maryland to Liverpool Street, wouldn't the same question
arise?

I suppose. I just found it strange that the station lacks an Oyster card
reader, when every other station I've been to in Zones 1–3 has one.

Regards,
Tristan

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In message , Tristan
Miller writes

I suppose. I just found it strange that the station lacks an Oyster card
reader, when every other station I've been to in Zones 1–3 has one.

Until recently the only stations that have readers are the ones where
PAYG can be used.

That is obviously changing with the imminent introduction of PAYG on
almost all of National Rail in the London area.
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Paul Terry

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:40:40 +0000, Paul Terry wrote:

I suppose. I just found it strange that the station lacks an Oyster card
reader, when every other station I've been to in Zones 1–3 has one.

Until recently the only stations that have readers are the ones where
PAYG can be used.

And all gated stations (except Romford).

Paul Terry wrote:

I suppose. I just found it strange that the station lacks an Oyster card
reader, when every other station I've been to in Zones 1–3 has one.

Until recently the only stations that have readers are the ones where PAYG
can be used.

I've not been surface side at Maryland for ages, but it sounds like readers
haven't been installed yet. At next door Forest Gate there have been offline
readers for some months now.

Forest Gate is going to be chaotic at peak hours as there's only a narrow
hall between the platform steps and the street and the readers are at the
side of the walls there. If everyone's going to be required to touch in then
there will be almost physical fights to get to the readers.

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Paul Terry wrote:

I suppose. I just found it strange that the station lacks an Oyster card
reader, when every other station I've been to in Zones 1–3 has one.

Until recently the only stations that have readers are the ones where PAYG
can be used.

I've not been surface side at Maryland for ages, but it sounds like readers
haven't been installed yet. At next door Forest Gate there have been offline
readers for some months now.

Forest Gate is going to be chaotic at peak hours as there's only a narrow
hall between the platform steps and the street and the readers are at the
side of the walls there. If everyone's going to be required to touch in then
there will be almost physical fights to get to the readers.


If you want to get an idea of what it'll be like, visit Walthamstow
Central, at around 1800 on a weekday when a train from Liverpool Street
has just arrived.

I always go to the front of the train and dawdle down the platform to
let the madness subside. Sometimes they have the fun addition of a
stall trying to get people to sign up for Mobiles/Credit
Cards/Charities. I'm surprised there hasn't been a mass brawl yet.


Christopher Griffin