Neil Williams wrote:

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

The above-ground stations on the Copenhagen metro don't have platform
edge doors. See, for instance,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Me...nd_Station.jpg

The Copenhagen metro trains run without any staff on board (although
there are roving staff who do ticket inspections etc).
--
Jeremy Double {real address, include nospam}
Rail and transport photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7603834894248/

wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this
is often the case in continental Europe.

I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

Vancouver

Kuala Lumpur (which is the same kit as Vancouver)
Copenhagen.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

wrote:
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as SB
gently breathed:

Bearing in
mind that there have been a number of fatal crashes in the US due to
the drivers texting, is this acceptable behaviour? SB.

Slight difference though, in the cases in the US, the driver was
actually driving the train. On the DLR, unless working in emergency
manual mode (where the train captain actually handles the power
controller thingie), it's all fully automated.

At the time the DLR was built, it was felt that the public wouldn't
accept totally automated, staffless trains. Hence the provision of
the train captains to be a staff presence on board without having to
have actual drivers.


I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.

It might be a really bad aide for the train captains to try striking.

Has Nuremberg fitted platform doors?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:25:14 +0000
" wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.

I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

Vancouver

The entire central line.

B2003

On 2 Dec, 09:56, wrote:

The entire central line.

The doors are operated manually, and the command to depart after
checking the doors is given by the driver pressing a button. Same
with the Viccy line, and for that matter the DLR.

It's the operation of the doors, and most importantly the confirmation
they are closed and nothing is trapped in them, that is the issue.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.

I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

Vancouver






Singapore (LRT)

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Regards

John

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:
Pyromancer wrote:
Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as SB
gently breathed:

Bearing in
mind that there have been a number of fatal crashes in the US due to
the drivers texting, is this acceptable behaviour? SB.

Slight difference though, in the cases in the US, the driver was
actually driving the train. On the DLR, unless working in emergency
manual mode (where the train captain actually handles the power
controller thingie), it's all fully automated.

At the time the DLR was built, it was felt that the public wouldn't
accept totally automated, staffless trains. Hence the provision of the
train captains to be a staff presence on board without having to have
actual drivers.


I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.

It might be a really bad aide for the train captains to try striking.

Has Nuremberg fitted platform doors?

Has Nuremberg got a working system yet! (only three years late, last time
I looked)

tim

On 2 Dec, 10:56, "John Nuttall" wrote:

Singapore (LRT)

As in that guided bus wotsit? I'm sure I recall the trains having
PEDs.

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this
is often the case in continental Europe.

I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).

That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?

There would be an option to staff the stations, but if you're going to
do that you might as well do what the DLR did and staff the trains
instead, so at least the staff aren't freezing cold on a platform.

You could use CCTV, so that a small number of staff in a warm control room
could operate the doors on a large number of trains.

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

MIG wrote:
On 1 Dec, 22:25, "
wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:36:25 +0000, "
wrote:
I wonder if that will change anytime soon, considering that it this is
often the case in continental Europe.
I think the DLR would operate too slowly if fully automatic, as people
would keep holding the doors open. (For safety reasons, you couldn't
force them to close on people - you'd have to work them like a lift).
That aside, are there any automated railways anywhere that don't have
platform edge doors?
Vancouver

Is there any other system there to stop people being dragged if
trapped in the doors? I know the Lille system, which was the first
place where I saw platform-edge doors, but I haven't seen anything
with neither.

Maybe the detection of the door edge is particular clever,

It is.