According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from Surbiton
[National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before having to
get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

I checked by putting in Stockwell, however this made no difference.
(Thinking it may want to route me via CJ and Victoria to Brixton).

Thanks

In message
,
elyob writes

According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from Surbiton
[National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before having to
get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

Yes - why's that a problem? (Vauxhall, like Brixton, is zone 2, so it's
basically a zone 6 to zone 2 ticket).

--
Paul Terry

On Dec 8, 4:08*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
,
elyob writes

According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from Surbiton
[National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before having to
get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

Yes - why's that a problem? (Vauxhall, like Brixton, is zone 2, so it's
basically a zone 6 to zone 2 ticket).


I thought that touching out of national rail could make the tube
journey a new journey?

elyob wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
,
elyob writes

According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from
Surbiton [National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before having
to get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

Yes - why's that a problem? (Vauxhall, like Brixton, is zone 2, so
it's basically a zone 6 to zone 2 ticket).

I thought that touching out of national rail could make the tube
journey a new journey?

No, the journey will be considered a single journey. Under the new
arrangements though, it can have 3 different prices, ie Tube [1] only, Rail
only, or in this case Tube + Rail. In your example Vauxhall [NR] and [LU]
will work as an out of station interchange, (OSI)

[1] where 'Tube' means LU/LO/DLR (and those NR routes that already accept
PAYG apparently).

Paul S

Paul Corfield wrote:

I haven't attempted to work out the numbers but there will be a
considerable increase in OSIs and their complexity come 2/1/10. As an
example just think about Waterloo NR, Waterloo W&C, Waterloo LUL,
Waterloo East and Southwark. Potentially all one complex! - whether it
ends up as one I can't say.

Conveniently, a list of OSIs from 2nd January has now appeared on "The
Manual"[1] and there are just under 200 pairs given.

Note that each gateline at a given station appears to be listed
separately, with interchange times varying from 15 minutes (e.g. Bow
Church to Bow Road) to 40 minutes (e.g. Monument to Fenchurch Street).

Cheers,

Barry

[1] An internal railway site

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:04:37 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

Note that each gateline at a given station appears to be listed
separately, with interchange times varying from 15 minutes (e.g. Bow
Church to Bow Road) to 40 minutes (e.g. Monument to Fenchurch Street).

The latter seems short, given that you'd wait for the train on the
concourse at Fenchurch St, so if it was a Sunday and you wanted the
all stations stopper you might be waiting 29 minutes.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:27:00 -0800 (PST), elyob
wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
,
elyob writes

According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from
Surbiton [National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before
having to get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

Yes - why's that a problem? (Vauxhall, like Brixton, is zone 2, so
it's basically a zone 6 to zone 2 ticket).


I thought that touching out of national rail could make the tube
journey a new journey?

As Mr Scott has said not after 2/1/10. PAYG will be valid both "sides"
of the interchange and as it is entirely valid to make an interchange
at Vauxhall the NR and LU Vauxhall Stations will become a paired OSI.
This happened at Balham recently when Southern began accepting PAYG
on the NR tariff between Victoria and Balham.

I haven't attempted to work out the numbers but there will be a
considerable increase in OSIs and their complexity come 2/1/10. As an
example just think about Waterloo NR, Waterloo W&C, Waterloo LUL,
Waterloo East and Southwark. Potentially all one complex! - whether it
ends up as one I can't say.

I was agreeably surprised to discover yesterday that the Kings Cross St
Pancras LU station remain an OSI, even though it's no longer necessary.
I went to have a look at the new northern ticket office, exiting from
one of the old LU gatelines and re-entering a few minutes later via the
new northern gateline. My Oyster fare to the station was zeroed out as
it's treated as an OSI, even though I could have changed LU lines
without passing any gatelines.

On 9 Dec, 02:04, Barry Salter wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
I haven't attempted to work out the numbers but there will be a
considerable increase in OSIs and their complexity come 2/1/10. As an
example just think about Waterloo NR, Waterloo W&C, Waterloo LUL,
Waterloo East and Southwark. Potentially all one complex! - whether it
ends up as one I can't say.

Conveniently, a list of OSIs from 2nd January has now appeared on "The
Manual"[1] and there are just under 200 pairs given.

Well, don't keep us in suspense, Barry - you can answer Paul's
query....

On 9 Dec, 12:38, "Recliner" wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message





On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:27:00 -0800 (PST), elyob
wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
,
elyob writes

According to the TfL website, it'll cost me £3.20 to get from
Surbiton [National Rail] to Brixton [London Underground] ...

However, won't I be exiting at Vauxhall National Rail before
having to get back on again at Vauxhall Underground?

Yes - why's that a problem? (Vauxhall, like Brixton, is zone 2, so
it's basically a zone 6 to zone 2 ticket).

I thought that touching out of national rail could make the tube
journey a new journey?

As Mr Scott has said not after 2/1/10. PAYG will be valid both "sides"
of the interchange and as it is entirely valid to make an interchange
at Vauxhall the NR and LU Vauxhall Stations will become a paired OSI.
This happened at Balham recently when Southern began accepting PAYG
on the NR tariff between Victoria and Balham.

I haven't attempted to work out the numbers but there will be a
considerable increase in OSIs and their complexity come 2/1/10. As an
example just think about Waterloo NR, Waterloo W&C, Waterloo LUL,
Waterloo East and Southwark. Potentially all one complex! - whether it
ends up as one I can't say.

I was agreeably surprised to discover yesterday that the Kings Cross St
Pancras LU station remain an OSI, even though it's no longer necessary.
I went to have a look at the new northern ticket office, exiting from
one of the old LU gatelines and re-entering a few minutes later via the
new northern gateline. My Oyster fare to the station was zeroed out as
it's treated as an OSI, even though I could have changed LU lines
without passing any gatelines.

This is because of the MIP lifts. Several interchanges using only
lifts require passing through gatelines.

"Chris" wrote in message
...
On 9 Dec, 02:04, Barry Salter wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
I haven't attempted to work out the numbers but there will be a
considerable increase in OSIs and their complexity come 2/1/10. As
an
example just think about Waterloo NR, Waterloo W&C, Waterloo LUL,
Waterloo East and Southwark. Potentially all one complex! - whether
it
ends up as one I can't say.

Conveniently, a list of OSIs from 2nd January has now appeared on
"The
Manual"[1] and there are just under 200 pairs given.

Well, don't keep us in suspense, Barry - you can answer Paul's
query....

Here they are

Aldgate (LU) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
Archway (LU) - Upper Holloway (NR) (20)
Baker Street (LU) - Marylebone (NR) (40)
Balham (LU) - Balham (NR) (20)
Balham (NR) - Balham (LU) (20)
Bank (LU) - Cannon Street (LU) (15)
Bank (LU) - Cannon Street (NR) (40)
Bank (LU) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
Bank (LU) - Liverpool Street (NR) (40)
Bank (LU) - Mansion House (LU) (15)
Bank Central / Northern / DLR (LU) - Bank Waterloo & City (LU) (15)
Bank Waterloo & City (LU) - Bank Central / Northern / DLR (LU) (15)
Blackfriars (NR) - Mansion House (LU) (20)
Blackfriars (NR) - Temple (LU) (20)
Bounds Green (LU) - Bowes Park (NR) (20)
Bow Road (LU) - Bow Church (DLR) (15)
Bow Church (DLR) - Bow Road (LU) (15)
Bowes Park (NR) - Bounds Green (LU) (20)
Brixton (LU) - Brixton (NR) (20)
Brixton (NR) - Brixton (LU) (20)
Bromley North (NR) - Bromley South (NR) (30)
Bromley South (NR) - Bromley North (NR) (30)
Brondesbury (NR) - Kilburn (LU) (20)
Camden Road (NR) - Camden Town (LU) (20)
Camden Town (LU) - Camden Road (NR) (20)
Canary Wharf E2 (LU) - Canary Wharf (DLR) (20)
Canary Wharf E2 (LU) - Canary Wharf (LU) (10)
Canary Wharf E2 (LU) - Heron Quays (DLR) (15)
Canary Wharf (DLR) - Canary Wharf E2 (LU) (20)
Canary Wharf (DLR) - Canary Wharf (LU) (20)
Canary Wharf (LU) - Canary Wharf E2 (LU) (10)
Canary Wharf (LU) - Canary Wharf (DLR) (20)
Canary Wharf (LU) - Heron Quays (DLR) (15)
Cannon Street (LU) - Bank (LU) (15)
Cannon Street (NR) - Bank (LU) (15)
Cannon Street (NR) - Cannon Street (LU) (20)
Cannon Street (LU) - Cannon Street (NR) (40)
Catford (NR) - Catford Bridge (NR) (20)
Catford Bridge (NR) - Catford (NR) (20)
Charing Cross (LU) - Charing Cross (NR) (40)
Charing Cross (NR) - Charing Cross (LU) (20)
Charing Cross (NR) - Embankment (LU) (20)
Clapham High Street (NR) - Clapham North (LU) (20)
Clapham North (LU) - Clapham High Street (NR) (20)
Clock House (NR) - Kent House (NR) (20)
Edgware Road H&C (LU) - Marylebone (NR) (40)
Elephant & Castle (LU) - Elephant & Castle (NR) (20)
Elephant & Castle (NR) - Elephant & Castle (LU) (20)
Embankment (LU) - Charing Cross (NR) (40)
Embankment (LU) - Waterloo East (NR) (40)
Embankment (LU) - Waterloo (NR) (40)
Euston (LU) - Euston (NR) (40)
Euston (LU) - Euston Square (LU) (20)
Euston (NR) - Euston (LU) (20)
Euston (NR) - Euston Square (LU) (20)
Euston (NR) - King's Cross (NR) (40)
Euston (NR) - St Pancras International (NR) (30)
Euston Square (LU) - Euston (LU) (20)
Euston Square (LU) - Euston (NR) (40)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Aldgate (LU) (20)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Bank (LU) (20)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Liverpool Street (NR) (40)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Monument (LU) (20)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Tower Gateway (DLR) (20)
Fenchurch Street (NR) - Tower Hill (LU) (20)
Finchley Road & Frognal (NR) - Finchley Road (LU) (20)
Finchley Road (LU) - Finchley Road & Frognal (NR) (20)
Forest Gate (NR) - Wanstead Park (NR) (20)
Hackney Central (NR) - Hackney Downs (NR) (20)
Hackney Downs (NR) - Hackney Central (NR) (20)
Hammersmith D&P (LU) - Hammersmith H&C (LU) (20)
Hammersmith H&C (LU) - Hammersmith D&P (LU) (20)
Hanger Lane (LU) - Park Royal (LU) (25)
Harringay (NR) - Harringay Green Lanes (NR) (20)
Harringay Green Lanes (NR) - Harringay (NR) (20)
Heron Quays (DLR) - Canary Wharf E2 (LU) (15)
Heron Quays (DLR) - Canary Wharf (LU) (15)
Kent House (NR) - Clock House (NR) (20)
Kentish Town West (NR) - Kentish Town (LU/NR) (20)
Kentish Town (LU/NR) - Kentish Town West (NR) (20)
Kenton (LU / NR) - Northwick Park (LU) (20)
Kilburn (LU) - Brondesbury (NR) (20)
King's Cross (NR) - Euston (NR) (40)
King's Cross (NR) - King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU) (20)
King's Cross (NR) - King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU) (20)
King's Cross (NR) - St Pancras International (NR) (20)
King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU) - King's Cross (NR) (40)
King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU) - King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU)
(15)
King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU) - St Pancras International (NR) (20)
King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU) - King's Cross (NR) (40)
King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU) - King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU)
(15)
King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU) - St Pancras International (NR) (20)
Lancaster Gate (LU) - Paddington (NR) (40)
Lewisham (DLR) - Lewisham (NR) (20)
Lewisham (NR) - Lewisham (DLR) (20)
Leytonstone (LU) - Leytonstone High Road (NR) (20)
Leytonstone High Road (NR) - Leytonstone (LU) (20)
Limehouse (DLR) - Limehouse (NR) (20)
Limehouse (NR) - Limehouse (DLR) (20)
Liverpool Street 1-10 (NR) - Liverpool Street 11-18 (NR) (30)
Liverpool Street 11-18 (NR) - Liverpool Street 1-10 (NR) (30)
Liverpool Street (LU) - Liverpool Street (NR) (40)
Liverpool Street (NR) - Bank (LU) (20)
Liverpool Street (NR) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
Liverpool Street (NR) - Liverpool Street (LU) (20)
London Bridge (SouthEastern) (NR) - London Bridge (Southern) (NR) (30)
London Bridge (Southern) (NR) - London Bridge (SouthEastern) (NR) (30)
London Bridge (LU) - London Bridge (NR) (40)
London Bridge (NR) - London Bridge (LU) (20)
Mansion House (LU) - Bank (LU) (15)
Mansion House (LU) - Blackfriars (NR) (20)
Marylebone (LU) - Marylebone (NR) (40)
Marylebone (NR) - Baker Street (LU) (20)
Marylebone (NR) - Edgware Road H&C (LU) (20)
Marylebone (NR) - Marylebone (LU) (20)
Marylebone (NR) - Paddington (NR) (40)
Monument (LU) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
New Cross (NR) - New Cross Gate (NR) (25)
New Cross Gate (NR) - New Cross (NR) (25)
Northwick Park (LU) - Kenton (LU / NR) (20)
Paddington (inc H&C) (NR) - Paddington (LU) (20)
Paddington (LU) - Paddington (inc H&C) (NR) (40)
Paddington (NR Gates) (NR) - Paddington (NR Validators) (NR) (20)
Paddington (NR Validators) (NR) - Paddington (NR Gates) (NR) (20)
Paddington (NR) - Lancaster Gate (LU) (20)
Paddington (NR) - Marylebone (NR) (40)
Park Royal (LU) - Hanger Lane (LU) (25)
Penge East (NR) - Penge West (NR) (25)
Penge West (NR) - Penge East (NR) (25)
Seven Sisters (LU / NR) - South Tottenham (NR) (20)
Shepherd's Bush (Central) (LU) - Shepherd's Bush (NR) (20)
Shepherd's Bush (NR) - Shepherd's Bush (Central) (LU) (20)
South Tottenham (NR) - Seven Sisters (LU / NR) (20)
Southwark (LU) - Waterloo East (NR) (40)
St Pancras International (NR) - Euston (NR) (40)
St Pancras International (NR) - King's Cross (NR) (40)
St Pancras International (NR) - King's Cross St. Pancras Met (LU) (20)
St Pancras International (NR) - King's Cross St. Pancras Tube (LU) (20)
Sudbury Hill (LU) - Sudbury Hill, Harrow (NR) (20)
Sudbury Hill, Harrow (NR) - Sudbury Hill (LU) (20)
Temple (LU) - Blackfriars (NR) (20)
Tottenham Hale (LU) - Tottenham Hale (NR) (20)
Tottenham Hale (NR) - Tottenham Hale (LU) (20)
Tower Gateway (DLR) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
Tower Gateway (DLR) - Tower Hill (LU) (15)
Tower Hill (LU) - Fenchurch Street (NR) (40)
Tower Hill (LU) - Tower Gateway (DLR) (15)
Upper Holloway (NR) - Archway (LU) (20)
Upper Warlingham (NR) - Whyteleafe (NR) (20)
Vauxhall (LU) - Vauxhall (NR) (20)
Vauxhall (NR) - Vauxhall (LU) (20)
Victoria (SouthEastern) (NR) - Victoria (Southern) (NR) (30)
Victoria (SouthEastern) (NR) - Victoria (LU) (20)
Victoria (Southern) (NR) - Victoria (SouthEastern) (NR) (30)
Victoria (Southern) (NR) - Victoria (LU) (20)
Victoria (LU) - Victoria (SouthEastern) (NR) (40)
Victoria (LU) - Victoria (Southern) (NR) (40)
Walthamstow Central (LU) - Walthamstow Central (NR) (20)
Walthamstow Central (LU) - Walthamstow Queens Road (NR) (25)
Walthamstow Central (NR) - Walthamstow Central (LU) (20)
Walthamstow Central (NR) - Walthamstow Queens Road (NR) (25)
Walthamstow Queens Road (NR) - Walthamstow Central (LU) (25)
Walthamstow Queens Road (NR) - Walthamstow Central (NR) (25)
Wanstead Park (NR) - Forest Gate (NR) (20)
Waterloo East (NR) - Embankment (LU) (30)
Waterloo East (NR) - Southwark (LU) (20)
Waterloo East (NR) - Waterloo Jubilee (LU) (20)
Waterloo East (NR) - Waterloo W&C (LU) (20)
Waterloo East (NR) - Waterloo (LU) (20)
Waterloo East (NR) - Waterloo (NR) (30)
Waterloo Jubilee (LU) - Waterloo East (NR) (40)
Waterloo Jubilee (LU) - Waterloo W&C (LU) (15)
Waterloo Jubilee (LU) - Waterloo (NR) (40)
Waterloo W&C (LU) - Waterloo East (NR) (40)
Waterloo W&C (LU) - Waterloo Jubilee (LU) (15)
Waterloo W&C (LU) - Waterloo (LU) (15)
Waterloo W&C (LU) - Waterloo (NR) (40)
Waterloo (LU) - Waterloo East (NR) (40)
Waterloo (LU) - Waterloo W&C (LU) (15)
Waterloo (LU) - Waterloo (NR) (40)
Waterloo (NR) - Embankment (LU) (25)
Waterloo (NR) - Waterloo East (NR) (30)
Waterloo (NR) - Waterloo Jubilee (LU) (20)
Waterloo (NR) - Waterloo W&C (LU) (20)
Waterloo (NR) - Waterloo (LU) (20)
Wembley Central (LU / LO) - Wembley Central (NR) (20)
Wembley Central (NR) - Wembley Central (LU / LO) (20)
West Hampstead LOROL (NR) - West Hampstead (LU) (20)
West Hampstead (LU) - West Hampstead LOROL (NR) (20)
West Hampstead (LU) - West Hampstead Thameslink (NR) (20)
West Hampstead LOROL (NR) - West Hampstead Thameslink (NR) (20)
West Hampstead Thameslink (NR) - West Hampstead LOROL (NR) (20)
West Hampstead Thameslink (NR) - West Hampstead (LU) (20)
White City (LU) - Wood Lane (LU) (20)
Whyteleafe (NR) - Upper Warlingham (NR) (20)
Wood Lane (LU) - White City (LU) (20)

Peter Smyth