On 17 Dec, 14:24, Tom Barry wrote:
Barry Salter wrote:

2.30 appears the Tube/DLR/Overground PAYG rate, and would presumably
imply Clapham Jn - Canada Water (when the ELLX opens) - Canary Wharf.

Cheers,

Barry

Clapham Junction - West Brompton - Westminster - Canary Wharf?

[yes, I spent a long time analysing PAYG weirdnesses - the
Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement being my particular favourite]

Tom

Brilliant, that actually might not take much longer if I got the
connections right. What is the Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement ?

On Dec 17, 3:23*pm, stan5001 wrote:
What is the Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement ?

One of the rules of Mornington Crescent, I believe.

martin wrote:
On Dec 17, 3:23 pm, stan5001 wrote:
What is the Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement ?

One of the rules of Mornington Crescent, I believe.

*hehe*

It's a peculiarity of the £1.10 premium for using NR then TfL farescales
into Z1 that if, when coming from outside Z2 you change to the tube at a
Z2/Z1 border station it costs less (£5.00 instead of £6.00 from Z6, for
instance). You effectively get paid a quid back for walking across the
border (the £5 comes from adding Z6-Z2 NR = £3.20 to Z1-Z1 TfL = £1.80).

For completeness, on a 2010 NR line the differences and savings a

Z6 £5.00 £6.00 £1.00
Z5 £4.50 £5.00 £0.50
Z4 £4.00 £4.20 £0.20
Z3 £3.60 £3.70 £0.10
Z2 £3.20 £3.20 £0.00

Vauxhall and E&C are, so far as I can tell, the only two Z2/Z1 border
stations this applies to, and are thus in the fare finder as Alternative
Fares for a lot of south London journeys into Z1.

This left me wondering why it didn't apply to changing from the NR to
the TfL farescale further out, such as GE to Stratford, then Central
Line, but it seems not to. Looking up the fares for a Z6 start:

Z6-Z1 Romford-Oxford Circus NR/TfL = £6
Z6-Z3 Romford-Stratford NR = £2.70
Z3-Z1 Stratford-Oxford Circus TfL = £2.70

so you should save money touching out at Stratford, then touching in
again and taking the tube...

[naturally I take no responsibility if the buggers have spotted this one
coming]

I'm sure there are other examples of this.

Tom

P.S. for extra fun, try and work out why there are three separate sets
of fares shown for Chiswick - Uxbridge. I *think* I've worked it out,
but it depends on being an OSI God. It's insane.

On 17 Dec, 20:31, Tom Barry wrote:
martin wrote:
On Dec 17, 3:23 pm, stan5001 wrote:
What is the Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement ?

One of the rules of Mornington Crescent, I believe.

*hehe*

It's a peculiarity of the £1.10 premium for using NR then TfL farescales
into Z1 that if, when coming from outside Z2 you change to the tube at a
Z2/Z1 border station it costs less (£5.00 instead of £6.00 from Z6, for
instance). *You effectively get paid a quid back for walking across the
border (the £5 comes from adding Z6-Z2 NR = £3.20 to Z1-Z1 TfL = £1.80).

For completeness, on a 2010 NR line the differences and savings a

Z6 £5.00 *£6.00 * £1.00
Z5 £4.50 *£5.00 * £0.50
Z4 £4.00 *£4.20 * £0.20
Z3 £3.60 *£3.70 * £0.10
Z2 £3.20 *£3.20 * £0.00

Vauxhall and E&C are, so far as I can tell, the only two Z2/Z1 border
stations this applies to, and are thus in the fare finder as Alternative
Fares for a lot of south London journeys into Z1.

This left me wondering why it didn't apply to changing from the NR to
the TfL farescale further out, such as GE to Stratford, then Central
Line, but it seems not to. *Looking up the fares for a Z6 start:

Z6-Z1 Romford-Oxford Circus NR/TfL = £6
Z6-Z3 Romford-Stratford NR = £2.70
Z3-Z1 Stratford-Oxford Circus TfL = £2.70

so you should save money touching out at Stratford, then touching in
again and taking the tube...

[naturally I take no responsibility if the buggers have spotted this one
coming]

I'm sure there are other examples of this.

Tom

P.S. for extra fun, try and work out why there are three separate sets
of fares shown for Chiswick - Uxbridge. *I *think* I've worked it out,
but it depends on being an OSI God. *It's insane.

The record number of routes I've seen so far is seven (Imperial Wharf
- Harrow on the Hill)

P.S. for extra fun, try and work out why there are three separate sets
of fares shown for Chiswick - Uxbridge. *I *think* I've worked it out,
but it depends on being an OSI God. *It's insane.

I guess because it's cheaper, it's ZZ3-6, so Chiswick-Barnes-Richmond-
Turnham Green-Acton Town-Uxbridge would be valid.
Or Chiswick-Hounslow-Richmond-Turnham Green, if you want to spend a
bit longer on the Chiswick-Turnham Green section :-)

The record number of routes I've seen so far is seven (Imperial Wharf
- Harrow on the Hill)

I only get 6 :-(
The fare finder doesn't find "Harrow-on-the-Hill", only "Harrow on the
Hill", which is a bit rubbish.

David wrote:
P.S. for extra fun, try and work out why there are three separate sets
of fares shown for Chiswick - Uxbridge. I *think* I've worked it out,
but it depends on being an OSI God. It's insane.

I guess because it's cheaper, it's ZZ3-6, so Chiswick-Barnes-Richmond-
Turnham Green-Acton Town-Uxbridge would be valid.
Or Chiswick-Hounslow-Richmond-Turnham Green, if you want to spend a
bit longer on the Chiswick-Turnham Green section :-)


Z3-Z6 : Chiswick - Barnes - Richmond - Willesden Junction -
Kenton/Northwick Park OSI - Uxbridge

Z2-Z6 : Chiswick - Clapham Junction - Willesden Junction then as before,
or Chiswick - CJ - West Brompton - Earls Court - Rayners Lane - Uxbridge
if you're actually insane.

Z1-Z6 : Chiswick - Vauxhall - Victoria - Jubilee - Metropolitan



The price difference isn't trivial, either, since the last one's a Z1
NR/TfL premium route.

Tom